Can Babies Feel Pain in the Womb Continued

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Radio Announcer: Preserving the sanctity of life in Florida, A loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio. With your hosts, Vicky and Bruce Cherry,

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Bruce Cherry: welcome again to another Sunday night edition of Pro-Life Radio. I’m Bruce Cherry and sitting across from me, my lovely wife, Vicky Cherry.

Vicky Cherry: Good evening,

Bruce Cherry: and I think we all know the, uh, the Bible, uh, about he who finds a wife finds a good thing. So tonight on the show, we, it’s couples night, so to speak,

Vicky Cherry: and Crazy Couples night. Yes, yes.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. Because, uh, we discovered we have something in common. We’ll talk about that in just a bit here. Uh, we have our guest tonight, Dr.

Bruce Cherry: Haywood Robinson. He was on with us last week, and he’s back tonight with his lovely wife, Daphne Robinson. Uh, Dr. Haywood is the director of Continuum of Care for Journey of a Lifetime, and Daphne is the founder, president and CEO of Journey of a Lifetime, and she [00:01:00] is an LAS, which is a life affirming specialist.

Bruce Cherry: And so we are very pleased to have you both on the show with us tonight. And before we get into everything, we always start with Jeremiah one, five and prayer.

Vicky Cherry: Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you before you were born. I sanctified you. I ordained you a prophet to the nations.

Bruce Cherry: Dear Heavenly Father, we ask you to join us again tonight to bless us with your Holy Spirit and bless all who hear this show.

Bruce Cherry: Bless us with the spirit to, to protect life at every stage. Not just the unborn, but all life. All life is precious and no one on earth has the right. To invalidate something that you have given life to. So God, we ask you to bless all who hear this show with discernment over what we’re sharing. Let them be able to hear truth.

Bruce Cherry: And God, we thank you for our guests tonight. We ask for your blessing to continue upon their ministry and their union. And God, we thank you for letting us be able to [00:02:00] keep this broadcast on the air. Heavenly Father, thank you. In the name of your precious son, Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen.

Vicky Cherry: Amen.

Bruce Cherry: Amen.

Vicky Cherry: Amen. And, um, before we get started, I wanted to, Bruce and I talked about this.

Vicky Cherry: We just yesterday, um, attended a funeral. And the funeral is for a great woman of God. Um, her name is Sarah TrollTrollinger and she started 40 years ago, house of Hope, here in Orlando. It’s a home for, um, troubled teens. Teens that need some healing. Um. I worked there. Mm-hmm. I’ve worked there for about four years almost.

The Group: Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: But it was, it was well attended. She, but the theme is, and she would always say, God will be as big in your life as you allow him to be.

The Group: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Vicky Cherry: But, so Sarah, we offer this as a small tribute to you, and I don’t know if you can hear us or not, but we, um, we love you and, [00:03:00] um, we can’t wait to see you again.

Bruce Cherry: I don’t think she can hear us. I think she’s busy. I think she’s busy because I, I, I believe that when she stepped into eternity, she heard well done. Good and faithful servant.

Vicky Cherry: Amen.

Bruce Cherry: And now she’s just, uh, celebrating. Just having a great time. Yeah. Doc, Dr. Haywood and Daphne, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

Bruce Cherry: Let me, let me share a little bit of your resumes. Uh, Dr. Hayward Robinson is a retired family medicine physician. Early in his career, he performed abortions. But in March of 1986, he came to a saving knowledge of Jesus and Jesus the Christ, and surrendered to his lordship. And he has stepped away from abortions and is now fighting to protect the unborn.

Bruce Cherry: Amen. Alright. And uh, Dr. Robinson’s testimony can be found in the book that he co-authored with his late wife. And that book is called The Scalpel and the Soul, our Radical Transformation as Husband and Wife, abortion Doctors. And, and he has since [00:04:00] remarried. And, um, well, let me also pass out that, uh, he is the Director of Medical Affairs and Education for 40 Days for Life, and he serves in a volunteer capacity as the Director of Continuum Care for Journey of a Lifetime, a new nonprofit founded by Daphne Robinson, his, his now wife.

Bruce Cherry: And, um, we thank you for what you do, doctor Now, Daphne. Uh, has served full-time in, uh, various areas of pro-life and pregnancy care ministry over the past 18 years. It’s safe to say she’s an expert. Uh, most recently, founder president, CEO of the novel life affirming nonprofit called Journey of a Lifetime, which was formerly launched July.

Bruce Cherry: This, this past July 1st, uh, journey of a Lifetime provides trauma informed care for mothers and families that have received a life limiting or other adverse pregnancy diagnosis. Mm, welcome to the show, both of you. Thank you very much for being here. Last week we touched on the palliative care. [00:05:00] And perinatal pain.

Bruce Cherry: Can babies in the womb feel pain? So I, we want to continue with that this week. But first, doctor, let me ask you, when, when you hear palliative care, my mind instantly goes to hospice, meaning it’s the end of the road for you, and all they’re gonna do is just try and keep you comfortable. So can you, can you expand on that a little bit?

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Well, I should probably be referring to the, the, the real expert here. My, I call her my rib bone. My wife, uh, as far as, you know, she’s more eloquent in these definitions, but I will give a very brief one that’s more functional. I, you know, and, and when I started medicine 40 years ago, we didn’t have a term called hospice.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: I believe probably about 30 years ago or so, the term, uh, came up and was kind of thought of as, uh, well, a place where people go to die. [00:06:00] And then there came an associated term that was called palliative care that I think most medical people and lay people really didn’t differentiate much between. You know, hospice care, they look at palliative care, palliative care as something that you’re doing and waiting for someone to die.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Uh, all of my experience and, and knowledge over the past two and a half years or so, that’s the amount of time that, uh, I’ve been blessed with my now wife and Daphne. There’s been a grand awakening of, you know, what is palliative care. I will give an abstract in that. It’s caring. For, uh, a particular person that may have a, uh, a particular medical problem, regardless of their age, regardless of how long, how long they’re going to live.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Um, and our goal is to make the quality of life [00:07:00] for them better and most optimal, giving them support, um, physically, uh, spiritually, uh, and, and using all the resources that we can do. That we have access to, to make that life better. And if I were to go any further than that, I wouldn’t be, um, uh, nearly as eloquent as as Mrs.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Robinson. So I just like to just pass the baton off to my, my wonderful wife.

Daphne Robinson: Oh, thank you, beloved. Uh, well, with respect to perinatal palliative care, that term really refers to more of a coordinated care strategy that comprises options for obstetrics and newborn care. And, uh, it also includes a focus on maximizing quality of life.

Daphne Robinson: So seeking out appropriate care and treatment options if that would be desired, uh, for the child by the parents. [00:08:00] Uh, not just comfort care, which is really more in the realm of hospice. Uh, we’re trying to restore dignity and respect to the life of that child and honoring that parents, uh, the parents.

Daphne Robinson: Desire or request to sustain life so long as that’s possible. So we’re, we’re looking toward the length of days, however many that may be, and that’s why we call it journey of a Lifetime. We don’t know the minutes, hours, days, weeks, or months that the Lord has planned and purposed for this child. We want them each to be treated with dignity and respect.

Daphne Robinson: And no matter the length of days, it’s a lifetime for that child and certainly the impact that that child has on the lives of. Uh, their family and all others that come into contact with them is great.

Vicky Cherry: So you’re talking also like for these, um, [00:09:00] parents that have a diagnosis of say, a Down syndrome or, um Exactly.

Vicky Cherry: Instead of those, um, doctors that’ll say, oh, your child’s not gonna be right. You need to, um, have an abortion. You need to get rid of this, you know, this is not good for you to carry this, this baby. Uh, well, they probably wouldn’t even call it a baby, but, so you’re more saying it doesn’t matter. If God ordained that child to be born, however it’s born, we need to make that life comfortable and and support the parents.

Daphne Robinson: Absolutely. And you bring up an excellent, uh, point, Vicky. So many times we find that the medical community attempts to bully parents and into having an abortion when there is a suspected. Adverse diagnosis. Mm-hmm. Because there’s truly not a diagnosis until the baby’s born and we can really see and run tests.

Daphne Robinson: Sometimes they’re making these recommendations simply based upon a test result, not falling [00:10:00] within parameters that they have predetermined, but every human is different. So you may tell the doctor, you know, I’m a Christian, I don’t believe or support abortion. Please don’t mention that to me again. But absolutely every time you go in for an appointment, they want to know when they can schedule you for your abortion.

Daphne Robinson: Mm-hmm. And part of the bullying may even comprise what type of parent are you to your other children to take resources away from them. To use toward this baby who’s probably gonna be special needs, what, what they’re doing to these parents is just absolutely criminal.

Vicky Cherry: Well, you know, it’s not just affecting that family.

Vicky Cherry: I think this subject has became such a blight in our community because we do not value life and that’s part of it. Doesn’t matter if that child’s gonna be down syndrome or, and so many times we all, I’m sure here. Um, your child’s gonna be Down syndrome and they’re not. There’s nothing wrong with them.

Vicky Cherry: You know, or even look at Tim [00:11:00] Tebow and some of these people like that, they were told, you know, you need to, to do away with this child. And

Bruce Cherry: oh yeah, they, Tim Tebow’s mom was. Well, they, they did everything they could to coerce her into, uh, and they don’t call it abortion. They, yeah, you need to terminate this pregnancy.

Daphne Robinson: A

Bruce Cherry: termination. Yeah. Yeah. They, they make it as clinical sounding as they possibly can, and they, they said, oh, he’s gonna be, he’s gonna have special needs. And of course his special needs for that. He’s, you know, he, he needs Christ and he’s gonna serve the Lord, you know, immensely. You know, and that’s what, that’s what he’s done.

Bruce Cherry: So, uh, we are up against a break that’s, uh, coming up here. So we’re gonna jump into that break, but we’ll be right back with, uh, Dr. Haywood Robinson and his wife Daphne Robinson, and coming up bad news from Planned Parenthood. Good news for us. We’ll share that with you when we come back from the break.

Bruce Cherry: More Pro-life Radio on the way on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer.[00:12:00]

Vicky Cherry: And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicky Cherry, and sitting across me is my very handsome husband, Bruce.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you very much. And we also have great guests with us tonight. All of our guests are great, but I, I love these too. And we’ve got. So much in common talking between the break, we, we know how much we have in common.

Bruce Cherry: Dr. Haywood Robinson and his lovely wife Daphne Robinson. Um, Dr. Robinson, director of Continuum of Care for Journey of a Lifetime, and Daphne is the founder, president and CEO of Journey of a Lifetime. So we She’s his boss. Yeah. Yeah. Well, any, I think we gotta

Vicky Cherry: work something out here.

Bruce Cherry: Any any, any wise man knows how that goes, that’s for sure.

Bruce Cherry: So when we, when we went to break, I, I. I teased you a little bit with bad news from Planned Parenthood. Good news for us. I, I want to preface this with saying Yeah, bad news for them, but we still have a lot of fight to go.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: Planned [00:13:00] Parenthood is now closed 41 abortion location so far this year.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. That’s good news. That is good news. Okay. So despite what abortion giant media would have Americans think, uh, yeah. They, they closed these centers, but that just means that they’re, they’re, they’re doing fewer clinical abortions. They’re still fostering these abortion pills. So,

Vicky Cherry: you know, one of the most powerful statements I think we’ve had on our radios, uh, programs since we started, when we’ve been here almost two years

Vicky Cherry: mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: We had a former abortionist and doctors, I, you may know, um, Kathy Altman. Yes. Yes. And she had said, you know. Uh, I was hearing about some of these serial killers, Ted Bundy, whoever, and she said, I just thought, oh my Lord, I’m a serial killer. And I, I have killed way more than any [00:14:00] serial killer, you know, serial killer, 30, 40 people.

Vicky Cherry: She says, I’ve killed thousands. It was just, it was a powerful statement. Hmm.

Bruce Cherry: It’s, it’s something that you definitely, you know, I mean, it, it, it hits you. It really does. It hits you

Vicky Cherry: how many babies have, uh, you know, and, and that’s great news about Planned Parent. It is, mm-hmm. Amazing, great news. But the thought of that is, so many times it’s more moving now more towards the pill, and that’s, that’s partial reason for all the close downs of the, of the actual facilities.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: But yeah, they’re, they’re doing the mail order pills and they realize that the pro-life movement is coming after them. We’re coming after them with, with laws. Uh, the, we know the Supreme Court is on our side, and so they’re just, they’re, they’re gonna take it kind of underground and now it’s, it’s mail order.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You know, mail order, the pill.

Vicky Cherry: Good news, Costco’s not gonna be a part of it. Did you hear that?

Bruce Cherry: I did not hear that. That’s [00:15:00] good. That is very good news. They refuse

Vicky Cherry: to sell the abortion pill in their pharmacies. Wow.

Bruce Cherry: Well, doctor and Daphne, let’s get back to you because Vicky and I, we, we live this stuff every, every day, all day.

Bruce Cherry: Um, we’re constantly in the fight, and I know you are too. So tell us more about Journey of a Lifetime, the services that you offer, and let’s, let’s also touch on how women and families can connect with you and find out more about you.

Daphne Robinson: Okay. Well, thank you so much. Uh, Bruce and Vicky, we’re so pleased to be with you this evening.

Daphne Robinson: Uh, journey of A Lifetime. It’s a Christian nonprofit that provides biblically grounded trauma-informed life-affirming perinatal through postpartum palliative care coordination for moms and families. That have received a life limiting or adverse diagnosis, and the care that we provide is at absolutely no charge.

Daphne Robinson: Mm. And it would include emotional, [00:16:00] spiritual, educational, and tangible support from the time of diagnosis through the pregnancy. And we’ll even create a birth plan for them so we can, uh, make their experience as much as they desire as possible. For instance, we might. Request that a photographer come in, make sure that hand and footprints are taken for them.

Daphne Robinson: And, uh, if the baby survives and transitions to the neonatal intensive care unit. Now, what does life look like to have a baby in the nicu? Why are the lights on all of the time? Why are the alarms going? Why are there so many tubes and hoses and wires connected to my baby? Why do they draw blood so much?

Daphne Robinson: We’re educating the parents. And equipping them to advocate for the life and health of their child. And by God’s grace, if the child is a NICU graduate, what does it now look like [00:17:00] to possibly have a special needs child at home? So we transition with them from the point of diagnosis up to one year after the birth of that child, and just something people don’t think about.

Daphne Robinson: With pro-life ministry is the full circle of life. We’ve actually planned or helped plan several funerals. Mm-hmm. Because that is the reality of the work that we’re performing. It’s a very sacred work, uh, that we’re working in. And not always are the babies surviving. As a matter of fact, many of the times the babies don’t.

Daphne Robinson: So we’re walking with the parents, even through their bereavement care.

Bruce Cherry: That’s, um, that’s tough work. I mean, that is, that is very tough work.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: You know what I might add to that, uh, on my learning curve and the model that I practice under was so [00:18:00] much different than that, which I’m learning right now. But there’s one notion that I think our audience might, uh, we want to make sure that they’re clear on.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Uh, by no means are we. Forcing families or making them feel like that they need to make a decision to do a particular medical procedure or put a child on a ventilator if it seems like it’s not going to clinically help a situation. We are not, uh, being, uh, uh, acting as an advocate for technology, but we want our clients, uh, we really look at them.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: We become, it’s more like family members. Is, let them know what their choices are In medicine, sometimes you choose not to do a particular procedure or a particular exam, and and that’s okay. So long as our families are fully informed, [00:19:00] not bullied, and not pressured, and, and to making their decisions, and they need advocates out there.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: There’s so many words that are used by the, the medical professionals that intimidate and that people simply don’t understand. Mm-hmm. And they need it broken down to simple English, uh, by someone who has their best interests, their child, and the, uh, rest of the family’s best interest in mind.

Daphne Robinson: Oh, beloved, you said that so well.

Daphne Robinson: Uh, we do serve as a liaison for these families between them and the medical community, and we assist them in, well, let’s say navigating the complexities of their medical encounters. We’ll explain what the diagnosis is, uh, give them references and referrals and education regarding. That diagnosis and possible treatment options [00:20:00] so that they can make informed and educated decisions and not feel like they’re being taken advantage of, or we’ve said several times being bullied.

Daphne Robinson: They actually have a choice, which is what the opposition always says that they’re about, but we know that truly we’re the ones that are offering women a choice and option.

Vicky Cherry: It sounds like healthcare has really changed from what we. Used to believe it to be, you know, that those physicians, those nurses, those professionals had our best interest at heart.

Vicky Cherry: But I’ve heard even in, you know, when the lady that we are de uh, dedicating this show to Sarah Trollinger, even when she was in the hospital, you know, you just assume that when, when you tell them you want to survive, you know, if at all possible. What that means now is different than what it used to be. And so it’s so great that you guys are helping in this field to educate and, and to come alongside and give, uh, advice and support to [00:21:00] these people that.

Vicky Cherry: Maybe do not know what the, their choices are.

Bruce Cherry: And you know, it’s, it’s, it’s so important if we’re going to educate people that abortion is wrong and that it’s bad, and you’ve got people out there that are in a crisis pregnancy and they’re not sure what they’re gonna do. Mm-hmm. They haven’t chosen life yet.

Bruce Cherry: They know they’re supposed to, but they’re thinking, how am I gonna care for this child? I can’t even take care of myself. Or I, I’m not even sure where I’m gonna be living at at the end of the week. How can I care for this? It’s so important that the community as a whole. Be there to help support these people, to, to help, help walk them through this, this whole thing that, ’cause some people don’t have anyone.

Bruce Cherry: Some people the only, the only person they really have in their life is that child. They’re carrying in their womb and they’re torn between getting rid of that child and keeping that child. So it is vital that services like the one that you’re providing are there and, and other services. It’s, it’s, it’s very vital.

Bruce Cherry: Oh, absolutely. And did you

Vicky Cherry: tell how you got ahold of, [00:22:00] um, how you can find you guys and, and what’s your website or?

Daphne Robinson: Well, our web address is journey of a lifetime.org. Unfortunately, right now, it’s still under construction. We’re not even two months old yet. Uh, this launched in a relatively short period of time, but we’re hoping that it’ll be up and working within the next week or so.

Daphne Robinson: Journey of a lifetime.org. But they could contact us at Contact us. At Journey of a lifetime.org is our email. Contact us at journey of a lifetime.org.

Bruce Cherry: Okay. We are gonna be taking another break here in just a bit. And coming up we’ve discovered we have quite a bit in common with Dr. And Daphne, and we’ll share with you what that is.

Bruce Cherry: Also, wanna remind everybody, a few things coming up, a little housekeeping here. Salem Media, the, the organization, the Christian organization that this show airs on [00:23:00] will be having their pastor’s appreciation brunch. And that is coming up soon. Keeping on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer for more details.

Bruce Cherry: Pastors, leaders in our central Florida community, you are invited. It’s a way that they say thank you for what you’re doing. Uh, because being a pastor is a very thankless job. A lot of difficulty. And, uh, I mean, think about it, pastors, they pa, pa pastors, they baptize us. They, they counsel us. They’re there with our, our weddings, they’re, they’re there at the funerals and the celebrations of life and who takes care of them.

Bruce Cherry: So make sure that you, uh, you keep, keep that in mind that the pastor’s appreciation brunch is coming up. And that is going to be, I don’t have the date here in front of me, so I’ll have to get that date for you, but that’s coming up and we’ll have more details on that coming up in just a bit. In the meantime, more pro-life.

Bruce Cherry: Radios on the way on a Sunday night on [00:24:00] AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer.

Vicky Cherry: And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicky Cherry Prosper. Me is my handsome husband, Bruce Cherry,

Bruce Cherry: and we have our guest, Dr. Haywood Robinson, and his lovely wife, Daphne Robinson. And I, I gotta tell you, I don’t think I’ve heard two people more in love than us than these guys are. So,

Vicky Cherry: or just as, let’s say, just as,

Bruce Cherry: because I mean, they’re.

Bruce Cherry: But my beloved, she’s referring to him and I’ve heard him refer to her as As his rib. His rib, yes.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah.

Bruce Cherry: So yeah. Rib bone. Rib bone. Rib bone. There you go. Rib. So, okay, so we have something in common that I think Vicky and I had [00:25:00] discussed with you once before when we first met you, but we just, we just remembered it.

Bruce Cherry: Today when we’re, we’re, we’re getting in the studio here, we have the exact same anniversary date.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Yes. Woo.

Bruce Cherry: Valentine’s Day 2023. Yes. Oh my goodness. Yes. Wow.

Vicky Cherry: And then the other similarity is both you guys were in radio

Bruce Cherry: Yes.

Vicky Cherry: DJs. Yeah.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, way to go. There you go. Hey. As, as, as the doctor referred to it, it BC it was before Christ, before Christ was at our lives.

Bruce Cherry: Well, we’re

Vicky Cherry: still in radio.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. Well, but I’m not a DJ anymore. We’re we’re hosts. Yes. So, but now, doctor, um, where did you and Daphne tie the knot at? Where was your wedding?

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Los Angeles, California, or our hometown.

Bruce Cherry: Ah, and did you get married in a church or,

Dr. Haywood Robinson: well, why don’t I just let my rib bone take it away?

Dr. Haywood Robinson: She found the [00:26:00] place and took care of everything. Take it away de.

Daphne Robinson: Well, I was living in Atlanta, Georgia at the time, and my husband was here in College Station, uh, Texas, but we’re both from Southern California and that’s where, uh, the majority of our family members are. So we got married there and we found a, a little chapel that was all inclusive and we, uh, flew out there on Sunday, the 12th of February and had our ceremony at sundown on the 14th of February.

Daphne Robinson: Oh my goodness. And within three days we were on the road doing our first, uh, pro-life event together and then in Texas, and then two days later flew to Atlanta and had two more events. And within two weeks we were back in California doing a 40 days for life spring kickoff. So Wow. We’ve been on the run ever since.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: You hit the ground running.

Bruce Cherry: That is so similar. I mean that is, that is just like [00:27:00] unbelievable because we got married on the beach here in Florida, in New Smyrna Beach.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: Just before sundown.

Vicky Cherry: Yes, we did.

Bruce Cherry: Just before sundown on Tuesday the 23rd, we had one one night of honeymoon. Then I believe by the following Friday we were attending a Republican, uh, party meet.

Bruce Cherry: ’cause at the time I was the chairman of the Republican Party of Seminole County, Florida, and we were attending a Republican meeting. Um,

Vicky Cherry: I’m trying to speak to the people that are supposed to be conservative Christians mm-hmm. About life. Right,

Daphne Robinson: right.

Vicky Cherry: About life. And that’s like kind of when we start back on that road of pro-life and really pro-life and mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: You just see how people really,

Bruce Cherry: yeah, they, they just, we were told numerous times, you guys are, this was no [00:28:00] joke. Supposed conservative Christians were telling us, uh, you and Vicky are too conservative, too pro-life, and you got too much Jesus going on.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Too much Jesus and too much life. Too much Jesus. I didn’t know that stuff.

Bruce Cherry: I, I, I told him, I said, really, really, you can say, you can say that with a straight face. And, and usually I would kind of step away from ’em just a little bit and they go, what? And I go, just, I just wanna be outta the way if the lightning hits you because Exactly. You can’t have too much Jesus. So, yeah. But that was actually something that was told to us, uh, a few times.

Bruce Cherry: So, uh, but uh, we’re in the fight. We are in the fight. Yeah. And, uh, as I have said before, we will stay in the fight until. Both of us stopped drawing breath, right? Or until there is no, and you know

Dr. Haywood Robinson: what I’d just like to add is that unfortunately, uh, conservatives, I don’t, I I, I try to keep this out of politics, out of Republican, democrat, libertarian, or whatever.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: This is not a political issue.

Vicky Cherry: No, no. This

Dr. Haywood Robinson: is [00:29:00] a spiritual issue. It has no party. Jesus was not a Democrat. Or Republican and he didn’t care about organized religion, organized politics, rendering the Caesar, that which is seizures and rendering to God, that which is God. This is God’s work. God is the maker, the often of our faith.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: He’s the creator of our life. He came to bring us life and to bring it more abundantly, but we are called also to have Christian civic responsibility. To vote for and support candidates who represent the best interest of this God blessed country.

Vicky Cherry: Amen.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Unfortunately, most of the time it’s, it’s Republican now.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: It used to be there was a better balance of Of mm-hmm. What we would think of as appropriate spiritual and moral value, and right now one of the parties [00:30:00] simply doesn’t have. Abortion is their holy grail.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah. When you have a abortion, it’s not a van come to your meeting, your national convention Yeah. To plan to do abortions.

Vicky Cherry: That kind of says a lot. Right.

Bruce Cherry: Well, I think, I think God showed them that he will not be mocked and Oh, he won’t. Right, right. And so now they’re, they’re, and I, the sad thing is I, I don’t think they still realize it. You know, they lost across the board. They were mocking God, their candidate mocked God. If you recall, when, uh, Kamala Harris was, uh, was speaking at something Yeah.

Bruce Cherry: Before the election, and somebody said, uh, Jesus is, is Lord, or something of that nature. Mm-hmm. And she says, boy, are you in the wrong spot? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wow. That’s, that’s, uh, yeah. So it’s, it’s,

Vicky Cherry: it’s sad. Sad and, and true, but, and it’s not a, it shouldn’t be at all a political issue. And unfortunately, it, it so many times is.

Vicky Cherry: Um, yes, Bruce, I [00:31:00] think you did find that date on that pastor appreciation version. I did.

Bruce Cherry: I did the pastor’s appreciation brunon that, uh, Salem Orlando will be having with a featured guest speaker who’s just incredible. Mm-hmm. And he does not do these things very often, so if you have an opportunity, um, both the public and their pastors can be there for this.

Bruce Cherry: Pastor Jack Hibbs is going to be the featured speaker. On October the 14th, and that is going to take place at First Baptist, Orlando, and Faith Hall. So you definitely want to save the date, get your tickets, and you can get them online@theanswerorlando.com. Get them as soon as you can.

Radio Announcer: You don’t mind if I jump in just real quick, our

Bruce Cherry: producer, Pete Ette.

Radio Announcer: Yes. I just wanted to correct something real quick ’cause I know people are gonna be buying tickets and stuff. The tickets for the public, those are to purchase for your pastor. Oh. This is a pastor and ministry leader and church leader event only. Okay. As, as only as we can get.

Bruce Cherry: Uh, I know a website where if you want to [00:32:00] see Jack Hibbs, you could go get registered as a pastor.

Bruce Cherry: And, uh,

Vicky Cherry: Bruce Cherry, I’m sorry.

Radio Announcer: Yeah, it doesn’t take much and can go online from the, uh, from

Bruce Cherry: pastors office, which you just don’t get to see Jack Hibbs very often. So, I mean, the guy’s got a message to share. God has blessed him and he shares that message. It wouldn’t be great

Vicky Cherry: if the Robinsons came and we can take him to dinner.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. Yeah. You guys, uh, jot that, jot that date down on your calendar. I know a guy we can get in.

The Group: Okay. Yeah,

Bruce Cherry: that’s not a problem. Okay, so let’s get back to it. Uh, palliative perinatal care, uh, that’s for managing pain in the womb. Babies do feel pain in the womb. The the left would have you believe that.

Bruce Cherry: They don’t. They do so and so your ministry journey of a lifetime is about caring for those babies from that diagnosis all the way up to birth. If necessary [00:33:00] to

Daphne Robinson: one, one year after the birth of the child,

Bruce Cherry: okay?

Daphne Robinson: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And you know, it’s really unfortunate that, uh, when parents receive an adverse prenatal diagnosis, studies indicate that up to 80% of them will choose abortion if they don’t know that they have support and 90%, uh, for Down syndrome, however.

Daphne Robinson: When a parent is aware that support such as that which is provided by Journey of a Lifetime is available, the studies indicate that 83% of them will choose life.

Vicky Cherry: Wow.

Daphne Robinson: And that’s, that’s an incredible, incredible number.

Vicky Cherry: You know, and we’ve had several people on that have had special needs children, and they couldn’t imagine their life without them.

Daphne Robinson: Oh, they teach you compassion and patience and joy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That’s, they’re just some of the most wonderful people. Absolutely.

Bruce Cherry: And they’re absolutely, and the [00:34:00] ones who, who grow into adulthood, they’re so happy.

Vicky Cherry: It’s so funny you mention that ’cause it’s Sarah ER’s funeral, uh, celebration of Life yesterday.

Vicky Cherry: Um, one of the guys that worked with his aunt at House of Hope in the cafe for years, um. Richard, he came up, I don’t know if he got ahold of you, Bruce, come here. Oh yeah. I got a big hug. I said, go give. He goes, you’re my girl. And I said, and you’re my guy. And I said, go say hi to Bruce. He goes, I think Bruce is jealous.

The Group: So funny.

Vicky Cherry: He’s and Richard, God bless him,

Bruce Cherry: he’s 40,

Vicky Cherry: 45, I think. 45 years old. And, um, I, I’ve never heard him say a cruel thing.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. He’s always happy. Mm. Always happy. And his mother mm-hmm. Is just, she. She can’t imagine life without him.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. Or his aunt.

Bruce Cherry: Or his aunt. And he’s, he’s very close to both and they both just think the world of him.

Bruce Cherry: And he was, to the best of my knowledge, he was never treated like he was. Like they were put upon [00:35:00] by him being in their lives.

Daphne Robinson: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Or, or, or that he was less than. Mm-hmm. He was treated just as they mm-hmm. One who was created in the image of God. Absolutely.

Vicky Cherry: And, oh, you wanna know a worshiper? He is a huge worshiper.

Bruce Cherry: Oh yeah. Yeah. He’s a, he’s a strong man of faith. Yes, he is. Mm.

Daphne Robinson: That, that is so beautiful. The Lord impressed upon me several months ago. Um, the term birth defects. Mm-hmm. And he basically pointed out to me, how can I, a sovereign perfect God create a defect? Mm-hmm. If I created that child in my image and they are created the way I designed them just as we opened the show with Jeremiah one five.

Daphne Robinson: Mm-hmm. Why are we using the term birth defect? And so when we are speaking with our clients. Unlike the medical community that might approach them with, I’m sorry, your test results came back. And unfortunately you have X, Y, z, uh, [00:36:00] diagnosis, and we recommend that you have an abortion. We’re saying congratulations.

Daphne Robinson: The Lord has blessed you with a special child.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. And we’re

Daphne Robinson: gonna walk with you throughout this journey, and we’ll be there to assist you and accompany you and educate you. You know, carry you when we have to, but we really want to offer them hope over fear, life over loss, compassion over contempt, dignity, over despair, and even respect their choice.

Daphne Robinson: Over being bullied to choose. Mm-hmm. We wanna respect their values and if they’re choosing life, we wanna be there for them.

Bruce Cherry: Amen. Fighting with them. Amen. We’re gonna So

Dr. Haywood Robinson: well said. And I just wanna add, there’s no such thing as a crisis pregnancy. God is never about acting in crisis. Each one of these children, and this is what Dr.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Pucci pointed out so well. Mm-hmm. At the point of diagnosis of pregnancy, that’s the time. To [00:37:00] celebrate your new family member Re just based on this new human being, they’re not disabled people. We tend to treat people the way we label them. Let’s stop label them by the stereotypes. Uh, that we wanna make them be, let’s make them be human beings with a purpose from God.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Amen. Very well said.

Bruce Cherry: Doctor, we are gonna take another break and we’ll be back for our final segment with Dr. Haywood Robinson and his lovely wife, Daphne Robinson. This is Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night and coming up details on the march for the pre-born on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer.

Vicky Cherry: And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio. I’m Vicky Cherry. Across from me is my hus handsome husband, Bruce.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you. Thank you. What, what was that hesitation I was thinking. I, but no, I couldn’t be [00:38:00] your rib. You’re my rib, so,

Vicky Cherry: oh, you wanna be like Daphne and I’m, I’m thinking we’ve gotta come up with better nicknames for

Bruce Cherry: each other, so, because I call her Honey Bunny and she calls me her handsome husband.

Bruce Cherry: So there you go. But we have, uh, Dr. Haywood Robinson and Daphne Robinson on with us from Journey of a Lifetime. And I wanna share with you, there is a very important date for you to keep in mind. Uh, January 17th, 2026, the Florida March for the Pre-born. We had a great conversation this past, uh, Wednesday night with, uh, Frank Pavone of Priest for Life, and, uh, I was honored to be on his podcast this past week, and that is something that we want everyone to make a point of joining us for.

Bruce Cherry: That’s gonna be on a Saturday, January 17th in Tallahassee. It is the March for the Pre-born. We want our voice to be heard in Tallahassee. And, uh, we wanna show everybody that the fight to protect the unborn is alive and well in Florida. You know, a lot of people kind of thought after Amendment four was defeated.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. We [00:39:00] could coast, we didn’t have to do anything. Didn’t have to make any donations to any, any organizations anymore. No, that’s not right. That is not right. The fight goes on. They’re still trying to get amendment fours. Across the country and they’ll come back at us here in Florida. So we have to let them know, not in our house,

Vicky Cherry: you know?

Vicky Cherry: And um, Bruce and I have been on this show now for almost two years, and we had called on people to come forward to help us with this. Mm-hmm. And God has provided, so that is an uplifting, um, thing I wanted to share also.

Bruce Cherry: And, and I’m glad you did. ’cause I intended to share that too. We had just an amazing outpouring of love and support.

Bruce Cherry: Financial support this past week that, uh, enables us to keep the show on the air because Vicky and I, when the donations don’t come in. We, we pull it out of our own pocket and we are, we’re not wealthy people. We’re not even, we’re, we’re barely financially solvent.

Vicky Cherry: Spiritually. Very wealthy.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah.

Bruce Cherry: Spiritually, [00:40:00] very wealthy. Yes, absolutely. But financially, we’re, you know, we, we, we work hard for, we have to put

Vicky Cherry: patches on our jeans. Yeah, no, no, I’m kidding.

Bruce Cherry: No, she’s not kidding. She’s not kidding. I got patch, I got patches on my jeans right now. He does

Vicky Cherry: not. But anyway, back to the doctor and his wife. Well, so it sounds like we

Daphne Robinson: have even more in common.

Daphne Robinson: It’s the same with our ministry as well, but the Lord will provide, we know, he called us into this ministry just as he called you, and my husband says, if the Lord gives you the vision, he’ll give you the provision.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Daphne Robinson: So, um, we are thankful for that and thanking him in advance for providing, uh, for the Ministry of Journey of a lifetime.

Daphne Robinson: Well, thank you.

Bruce Cherry: Amen. Well, thank you for what you do. Mm-hmm. Thank you for what you do. Now, Dr. Haywood, I know you’re a volunteer.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Yes.

Bruce Cherry: So is this, um, is this how you pictured your retirement?

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Well, you [00:41:00] know, you know, re retirement is not really biblical and it’s serious, you know, basically God calls us to work until he calls us to go home.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: And I think what he does do, however he may redirect and refire you. I’m working just in a different way. I practiced medicine for 40 years, but now I’m doing something that I believe is equally, if not more so important than what I did for 40 years. So, uh, I’m working in this right now. Uh, the pay might be so not so great.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: But the retirement, uh, plan, as I say, is out of this world, uh, as we build this ministry, uh, may be able to, you know, get some compensation out of, but as you get older, you tend to want to be involved with something that you can’t really put a price on. And journey of a lifetime is something that [00:42:00] is going to be able to impact anyone on the planet because as we interact with families.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: And bring people together with resources. All it, it, it can all be done with the technology we have for this wonderful thing called the internet. I mean, through Zoom meetings and emails and, and all the imaging that we have, we can touch people in, in, in ways. So we, we don’t have a bricks and mortar ministry.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: All of our costs will be used to pay our staff. We have a. Wonderful, uh, nurse, which, uh, Daphne is gonna tell you about, and that’s how we’re gonna impact them with the, with, uh, ordinary people, hopefully doing extraordinary things with, um, with, with not a whole lot of resources.

Daphne Robinson: Amen. Right. We are a small scale operations, so we have a great return on investment.

Daphne Robinson: It’s just, uh, [00:43:00] myself, uh, my husband, Dr. Robinson, and. My manager of perinatal palliative care case management coordination, Heidi, and she is a NICU nurse of 20 plus years. And not only does she have the professional experience, but the Lord in his sovereignty, bless her and her husband. A special needs child.

Daphne Robinson: So she understands, uh, the care that we’re providing from both sides of the incubator. And the same actually could be said for myself as I had a high risk pregnancy and a delivered a baby at two pounds, 15 ounces, who was in the NICU for 12 days. So I too understand some of the care and the trauma that is experienced by parents when they have a baby that has an adverse diagnosis.

Daphne Robinson: So really excited about the team that the Lord has brought together and how he’s using, um, just what he tells us he’s going to do and [00:44:00] making beauty from ashes. So things that people might see as a negative or something that’s a very difficult situation. He’s turned it around and he’s allowing us to be able to pour into other people’s lives as a result of what we’ve experienced.

Bruce Cherry: Amen. You know, I, I’m, I, I agree and I firmly believe that God doesn’t, God doesn’t make mistakes.

Daphne Robinson: No. No, he does not.

Bruce Cherry: And, and, and earlier I, I, I, I now want to apologize. ’cause earlier I, I used the terminology and, and we know that there’s various terminologies that are used in the pro-life movement that we, we need to work our way around from using.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. And I’d said crisis pregnancy, because when, you know, when it happens to a woman who’s unwed or a woman. Who is in a situation that is not right for her and she gets pregnant and to her, she’s in crises. But Dr. Haywood’s, right? No, it’s a blessing from Godly.

Vicky Cherry: I wanted to touch on something else Dr.

Vicky Cherry: Haywood said about, um, [00:45:00] sometimes your later life ministries are more important than what you did before. Um, again, talking about Sarah TrollTrollinger. Mm-hmm. She didn’t start House of Hope till she was in her forties.

The Group: Oh yeah.

Vicky Cherry: So, mm-hmm. You know, so many times when people do these ministries later in life, they are ultimately better than the.

Vicky Cherry: Earlier,

Bruce Cherry: I’d like to look at it this way because, and I’ve shared this numerous times on this show, I’ve shared this with numerous people that I haven’t always been a pro-lifer. I haven’t always been, as we, as we said, you know, back in my BC days before, before Christ was in my life, you know, I was a rock and roll DJ and I was in nightclubs all the time and I was living that lifestyle and I wound up fathering a child that I participated in the abortion of that child and.

Bruce Cherry: No excuse. I, I just, but I, I think since God knows our steps and knows what’s, he knows all about us and knows everything that’s going to happen to us, um, I think he was [00:46:00] preparing me for this portion of my life mm-hmm. For this walk of my life. Mm-hmm. And so, absolutely. That’s just, just as the doctor who had performed abortions.

Bruce Cherry: Right?

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so you come from a wealth of, and if we don’t know why that happens, you know, why did he allow me to do all those abortions so I could be an a, a pro-lifer? But, you know, God doesn’t answer why questions. All we have to do now is we are, we’re going to work with him and recognize that abortion and these whole life issues are, are far more important to God than they are to us.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: But if we seek his face, get behind him, we are for sure going to triumph. As his word says, he always causes us the triumph and that, um, we’re never, we’re never going to, we’re never going to lose

Vicky Cherry: you. Were a Saul, becoming an appall. So we have about [00:47:00] three minutes left, Dr. And Daphne. So what do you wanna share?

Vicky Cherry: In the next few minutes.

Daphne Robinson: Well, if folks wanna reach out to Journey of a Lifetime, they can at our email address, contact us at Journey of a lifetime.org. Contact us at journey of a lifetime.org and our website is under construction, but we hope it’ll be up within the next week or so. And that is Journey of a Lifetime, uh, dot org.

Daphne Robinson: And if anyone knows someone that is going through. Uh, a pregnancy where they’ve had an adverse diagnosis, please refer them to us. We would love the opportunity to be able to walk alongside with them on their journey of a lifetime. And as Dr. Robinson mentioned, we are providing our care and services using digital technology.

Daphne Robinson: So we are right now handling cases in, uh, [00:48:00] over 20 states. Just our small team, we, uh, hit the ground running on July 1st with a full caseload and have had several referrals since then. But, uh, uh, we don’t like to turn folks away. We wanna be able to assist. So if you know anyone that’s going through, uh, pregnancy where they’ve had some type of adverse diagnosis and they could.

Daphne Robinson: Uh, do their referrals through Be Not afraid.net. And that’s the organization that actually provided training, not only for us here at Journey of a Lifetime, but even with your guests last Sunday, Dr. Robin Pucci. So be not afraid.net. And they can make the referrals and come to us and we would be very, very, um, honored to be able to walk with them on their journey of a lifetime.

Daphne Robinson: Wow,

Dr. Haywood Robinson: that’s a great name of a, and I think we need to be very clear. I don’t know if we said that everything that we do and the services and [00:49:00] ministry that we give these families is without charge. I don’t know if we said that You did, but you can never say

Bruce Cherry: that enough. Yeah,

Dr. Haywood Robinson: we, this is, uh, free. Well, it’s not free.

Dr. Haywood Robinson: Somebody pays for it. But anyone that receives our services, they take nothing out of their pocket. And we’re here for you. We want to be very clear on that.

Bruce Cherry: Alright, well, Dr. Haywood Robinson and Dr. Daphne or uh, and Daphne Robinson, thank you very much for joining us this week. We’ve come to the end of our show and we thank you all for listening tonight to Pro-Life Radio.

Bruce Cherry: We thank you for the donations that flooded in this week. Thank you so much. And

Vicky Cherry: doesn’t mean you can’t still give them.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. Still, still the, yeah, the fight’s not over. And also, if you have a pro-life story you would like to share with us, reach out to my lovely wife Vicky. You can reach her at prolife.

Bruce Cherry: Vicky, V-I-C-K-Y, at yahoo.com. That’s pro-life. Vicky@yahoo.com. [00:50:00] And, uh, we thank you for joining us. We thank you for the donations and we thank you for listening. We’ll be back next week with More Pro-Life Radio on AM nine 50 FM 94.9, the answer streaming on the answer orlando.com.