Conversation with Father Frank Pavone of Priests for Life
Bruce Cherry: [00:00:00] Preserving the Sanctity of Life in Florida. A loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio. With your hosts, Vicky and Bruce Cherry and welcome to another edition of Pro-Life Radio. Welcome to my lovely wife, Vicky Cherry. Hello husband. Hello wife. And uh, we thank you for joining us. It has been a crazy.
Bruce Cherry: Um, weak, needless to say, uh, crazy couple of weeks, just a couple of weeks with everything that’s gone on with the, uh, Charlie Kirk assassination. And, uh, we will touch on that briefly, um, uh, during this show. But we thank you all for joining us tonight and we’ve got a great guest with us. Father Frank Pavone from Priest for Life is with us, so, uh, we’re gonna get, he’s one of our favorites.
Bruce Cherry: He is one of our favorites for sure. And, and we’re gonna get right to things, but first we start out with prayer in Jeremiah one, five.
Vicky Cherry: Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you before you were born. I sanctified you. I ordained you a prophet to the nations. [00:01:00]
Bruce Cherry: Heavenly Father, we come to you once again and ask for your blessing upon this show and all who hear it.
Bruce Cherry: Prayers for Father Frank, for travel mercies and for protection. As we’ve, we’ve learned that none of us is safe if we’re sharing truth and uh, sharing the gospel. And God, we just ask you to let us be in service and I can’t think of a better way to meet our maker than just have having had your gospel on our lips.
Bruce Cherry: Sharing it with someone. God, I pray for all who hear this show. I pray that they open their hearts and open their minds to you, that they come to realize that all life is precious and none of us has a right to prevent or take a life that has been ordained by you. So God, please be with us. We thank you for the blessings of those who have supported this shell and the support that has been pouring in over the past couple of weeks.
Bruce Cherry: And we thank you for another opportunity to come together and share truth. [00:02:00] And we thank you for Father Frank this evening. We pray to you in the name of your precious son, Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Amen. All right, father Frank, thank you for being here with us.
Father Frank Pavone: It’s always a joy. It, it never seems to be enough time, but, uh, we enjoy the time we have.
Bruce Cherry: This is true. This is true. And I just saw Father Frank just a couple of weeks ago, we were in, uh, uh, Charlotte together at, um, along with a lot of other, a lot of other strong pro-life folks at CareNet. That was a great event and, and, uh, Frank and I had an opportunity to break bread together on a couple of occasions.
Bruce Cherry: So it was, it was a good time, you
Father Frank Pavone: know, it was so, it was so great. Wasn’t it? Like 1800 to give our, our, our audience an appreciation of this, you know, people know the pregnancy center, I’m sure many people know their local pregnancy center, but to have 1800 people who do this work day and night across the nation, all in the same room.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm. I mean, the amount of love and compassion and [00:03:00] joy. And tenderness and faith. It is, it is. It is impossible to describe and you, you know, wasn’t it true? I mean, you come away from that so uplifted. Mm-hmm. And just saying, wow, this, not only is this movement strong and it’s everywhere. Mm-hmm. But it’s so loving.
Father Frank Pavone: I mean, that’s just what always impresses me the most about these pregnancy center conferences like Carene.
Show Music: Mm-hmm.
Vicky Cherry: And kind of the opposite of the other side. Yeah. You know, we’re talking about the love and. Oh man. Are we seeing a lot of hate
Bruce Cherry: and we, we are, we are seeing a lot of hate right now, but I, I, I do want to touch on this about CareNet.
Bruce Cherry: It’s, it’s a very, very worthwhile organization and. For those of you who aren’t familiar with CareNet, I, I’ll be honest with you, before attending the conference, I had not been familiar with it. Somebody made me aware a few months ago, and Liberty Council said, you should go. And so I went and it was, it was enlightening.
Bruce Cherry: It was, um, a great time of fellowship and it was, uh, it, it, it. [00:04:00] It gives you a feeling of hope because there’s so many people out there fighting to protect the unborn. And so it was a, basically it’s a resource conference for pregnancy centers. So the pregnancy centers that, uh, that were able to, to attend.
Bruce Cherry: Um, they had resources there for training, for, uh, ultrasound equipment and if you’re pregnancy center that doesn’t have an ultrasound, um, how to go about getting one and counseling and things like that.
Vicky Cherry: So I wanted to, um, explore a little bit what I had just read, um, a little bit on social media about what’s going.
Vicky Cherry: We have a Florida Democrat state rep, Kelly Skidmore, who is trying to file legislation against pregnancy centers. Um, I’m, I’m sure, Frank, that you’ve heard about that and you know that that’s in the works.
Father Frank Pavone: Yeah. And you know, this is like, you know, the Democrats all are playing from the same playbook all across the country, both on the federal and state level in regard to the [00:05:00] pregnancy centers Now, um, I, I’m, um, this weekend I’ve been in, in, in Boston, Massachusetts, and I was just talking today with one of the state pro-life leaders, and he was talking about this happening up here and Senator Elizabeth Warren.
Father Frank Pavone: Has been a ringleader in the Congress to try to intimidate these pregnancy centers. There are court cases going on right now, uh, on the East coast, in the Midwest and in California. Uh, where, where, where, uh, the other side is trying to. Punish pregnancy centers for telling moms about the abortion pill reversal, uh, by which they could reverse a chemical abortion if they changed their minds after taking the first drug of a two drug regimen.
Father Frank Pavone: And then you have them trying to say, oh, these are fake. Clinics and they’re practicing medicine without a license and they’re deceiving people, you know? And really it’s all projection because if there’s anybody that deceives people in the midst of [00:06:00] quote unquote reproductive care, it’s the abortion clinics.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm. I mean, they lie about the baby. They lie about the, uh, pain that one feels in abortion. They lie about the alternatives. Uh, and so, yeah, I mean, this is, is no surprise, uh, to me that they’re trying this in Florida and, uh, they, they, they try it wherever they can, and it is such a, they’re so despicable because it’s a, it’s a direct attack on those who are trying to provide the most loving option and the most loving care.
Vicky Cherry: That’s what I just, I, I, I, why come against somebody that is just trying to help? The ones that wanna keep their babies, really. I mean, it’s, it’s a help for
Bruce Cherry: pregnant babies. ’cause they, they’re, they’re, they’re demonic. I mean, it’s, it’s evil. It’s, it’s sacrificing innocent blood and it serves a purpose. And so they want, they want to do anything they can to block the sharing of truth.
Bruce Cherry: I mean, if anything, the assassination of Charlie Kirk shows that mm-hmm. That [00:07:00] all he did was engage people, share truth, and want to have open dialogue. He was so dangerous they had to silence him. Amen.
Father Frank Pavone: It’s so sad. And, uh, you know, of course with Charlie, uh, the, the, the words he spoke left the other side reminds me of Steven in the acts of the apostles.
Father Frank Pavone: That, that, that doesn’t remind you, but mm-hmm. He was debating, you know, those who were against him and they found no way to refute his words, so they had to end up killing him. And, and it, it, it’s like that was one of the dynamics going on with Charlie. And then the other one was. The other side. This is, of course, there’s a lot of us that are speaking up for truth.
Father Frank Pavone: But with Charlie, he had a unique, uh, uh, he had developed a unique, uh, force in the political world that was winning. Mm-hmm. And, um, electing, I mean, right from President Trump and Vice President Vance on down the political ladder. Charlie’s group Turning Point was very much responsible [00:08:00] for these victories, and that’s what the other side really, really hates.
Father Frank Pavone: It’s the words and the truth. Now getting translated into political action that leaves them on the losing side. And this was, you know, this, this was creating that, that rage that unfortunately spilled out in this, uh, in this assassination.
Vicky Cherry: I’ve heard they’ve had to cancel. A vigil or two over the threats of violence?
Vicky Cherry: Um, I, yeah. I personally, I think I would still go through with it, um, the vigil. Mm-hmm. And, and, um, maybe have some private security or something, but we can’t back down. We can’t just hide. We have to, no, we have to stay in the public.
Father Frank Pavone: We do, and we have to fight. Well, isn’t that how we deal, how we deal with it as Christians?
Father Frank Pavone: I mean, we’re, we’re people of faith and people of also of, of reason, uh, and of common sense. So we we’re prudent. You know, people do have to be more on the alert, you know, you may have to do more planning, [00:09:00] uh, as far as, uh, keeping yourself safe and your, and your, and your groups, uh, safe. Sure, we take all reasonable precautions, but out of.
Father Frank Pavone: Prudence, not out of fear, right? Not out of intimidated. Would never be intimidated. In fact, what happened to Charlie is just supercharging, uh, the, both the young people. Uh, I was just with, uh, uh, uh, one of his top, um, top leaders in, uh, turning Point. Uh, just the other day we were together in DC and. And the, the, he said this is, it’s overwhelming.
Father Frank Pavone: Uh, we’ve gotten, they said 55,000 requests for starting turning point groups across the United States just since the assassination. So people are not gonna be intimidated.
Bruce Cherry: You know, we had, uh, our pro-life, uh, team meeting just last night, and. By the time we sat down to our meeting at 6:00 PM last night, turning Point USA had over 60,
Vicky Cherry: well, it’s 68, not just thousand for char chargers.
Vicky Cherry: It’s also for people [00:10:00] interested in joining. But yeah, it was like 68, but I did see 68,000 uhhuh. But then I heard there was, like you said, Frank, the the 50. Six were actual charters. Yeah. The rest were inquiries of, of joining Charter. Now, prior to
Bruce Cherry: assassination, there were only about 1500 Nationwide charters.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. So all they did was open a can and we’re gonna shake it out evenly across the United States. That’s what’s gonna happen.
Vicky Cherry: And what about Erica?
Bruce Cherry: You know what I, that woman, she sends a chill up my spine because I know there is nothing, nothing more powerful than a woman who is determined. And who has had something precious taken from her.
Bruce Cherry: And she is very determined. So prayers to keep her safe, but prayers also to, to let her just be unleashed and be fruitful. And I think, I think turning point USA is gonna be in great hands. ’cause I believe somebody said they haven’t said, who’s taking over Turning Point USA? You didn’t see that [00:11:00] video? I mean, well they
Vicky Cherry: did since then.
Vicky Cherry: They have mm-hmm. They have officially put her in that spot. Yeah. Position.
Bruce Cherry: So, yeah. Uh, yeah, but people are still asking the question. Oh, come on. Who’s gonna take over? It’s her. Yeah. It’s her. And Turning point USA is going to be powerful, powerful. The background. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Vicky Cherry: I was reading it yesterday. I’m like, wow, she’s impressive.
Bruce Cherry: She’s, she has two juris doctorate degrees. That means she’s a lawyer in two different fields.
Vicky Cherry: She’s done all kinds of things. Yes, she definitely has the background. Yeah. And she obviously has the. Tenacity.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm.
Vicky Cherry: To stand up.
Bruce Cherry: Yeah. Yeah. God bless her. Hey, coming back, we’re gonna talk about the March for Life and Father Frank, you can tell us more about that in just a few seconds.
Bruce Cherry: We’ll be right back with more Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9, the answer streaming on the answer or orlando.com.
Vicky Cherry: And welcome [00:12:00] back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicky Cherry. In the studio with me is my handsome husband, Bruce.
Bruce Cherry: I paid her to say that.
Vicky Cherry: Yes. Very well. And online with us, we have Father Frank Peron of Priest for Life. Alright.
Show Music: Alright.
Vicky Cherry: Hello. Hello. So Father Frank, um, let’s talk a little bit about your March for Life coming up.
Father Frank Pavone: Well, this is wonderful for Floridians to know it’s going to be a statewide march that the number of groups, uh, including ours, of course, Florida Right to Life, uh, defending Life Alliance of Florida and other groups are co-sponsoring. It’s going to be on Saturday, January 17th, so that is a, um, just a week before the big national march in dc.
Father Frank Pavone: And it’s going to be pre, it’s going to be in Jacksonville, and it’s going to be preceded by a gala banquet the night [00:13:00] before Friday, the 16th of January, and we’re happy to announce that Tim Tebow is going to be the speaker. At that, uh, gala and, uh, Florida Right to Life is, is, uh, is organizing the gala.
Father Frank Pavone: And then, uh, as I said, this, uh, coalition of groups, uh, organizing the march the very next day. Now, we hope that this Florida march for the pre-born, which by the way, people can find out about@floridamarch.org, that’s Florida march.org. We hope to be an event that will move around the state. Each year because the purpose of it, uh, you know, last year we had a small version of it in, um, in Tallahassee.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm.
Show Music: I remember that. Um, but
Father Frank Pavone: the purpose of the march is not primarily to push a particular legislation or to, you know, uh. Protest a court decision or anything like that. It is very grassroots oriented to encourage and equip the [00:14:00] individual pro-lifers that are praying in their churches, talking about the issue in their homes, doing what they can as individuals and families.
Father Frank Pavone: We wanna really bring the grassroots pro-life movement to Florida, uh, together and, and just keep encouraging one another as the scriptures command us to do. Uh, that’s the purpose of the march. So again, Florida march.org people will find all the info.
Bruce Cherry: And Tim Tebow the featured speaker at the banquet the night before.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm.
Bruce Cherry: Wow. That’d be awesome. We heard him.
Father Frank Pavone: That’s gonna be fun. Yeah, that’s gonna be great. Oh, he’s,
Bruce Cherry: he’s great. We, we did, uh, we had the opportunity to see him and meet him and hear him speak at Teen Challenge, uh, back mm-hmm. In 2020. Three,
Vicky Cherry: no, I don’t Ago.
Bruce Cherry: 24. Long ago. 24 a year ago. Uh, but, uh, incredible speaker, incredible young man.
Bruce Cherry: And talk about a, a, a man, a strong man of faith, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And again, his mother had been encouraged to abort him that there was gonna be [00:15:00] something wrong with him. Mm-hmm. It makes you wonder, you know, because, because God is at work, but evil is also not taking a break. So it makes you wonder if.
Bruce Cherry: The devil, if Satan could see that he was going to be a powerful force mm-hmm. For humanity and for and for God’s word. And so they try to head it off at the past and, and tell the mother, oh, no, no. You want, you, you wanna abort him. He’s, there’s gonna be a problem with him. Yeah, there’s a problem with him.
Bruce Cherry: All right. There’s definitely a problem with him. ’cause he’s said he’s a loud voice. He is a loud voice for, for Christ. That is, that is just great. So, uh, so you can get the tickets and information@floridamarch.org.
Father Frank Pavone: That’s right.
Bruce Cherry: Alright, well we’re gonna go online and get our tickets ’cause I think we want to go, um, and.
Bruce Cherry: The, the pricing and everything’s gonna be on the website, I’m sure. So
Father Frank Pavone: yes, that information will be, uh, up, up there, uh, this in these [00:16:00] next coming days as Florida, uh, right to life, uh, uh, finalizes the details. And, uh, but that’ll be, yes, that’ll be the place to go for updates.
Bruce Cherry: Okay, so last week, uh, father Frank, Vicky and I had the, the blessing and the honor to be, um, speakers at the day of Remembrance.
Bruce Cherry: Here in central Florida, one of the day of remembrances in Central Florida. I think there were four and, or probably more, maybe more, but I knew of four for sure. I, four Catholics had put out, um, an invite to everybody to go to the four that, that, that I was aware of and, uh, we were blessed to be at All Souls Cemetery.
Bruce Cherry: Sanford and I want to, uh, give a shout out to Barbara Sandsbury, who’s part of our pro-life team. But Barbara is a strong, strong advocate for pro-life and a tireless warrior. And, um, and she is the one who made sure we were invited to speak. And it was, um, it was a moving, a moving day of [00:17:00] remembrance for the Preborn.
Bruce Cherry: And at that cemetery, all Souls is located in Sanford. There are, uh, I believe six. Children that were aborted, that are buried in that cemetery.
Show Music: Hmm.
Vicky Cherry: And
Bruce Cherry: so, um, yeah, it was, uh, it was, um, and
Vicky Cherry: it was amazing the amount of young people mm-hmm. That were there. It was, it was very encouraging. Yep. Uh, and you know, we talk about, when you talk about abortion and lives that are affected by it, um.
Vicky Cherry: When you’re in a, in a speaking arrangement like that, there’s always at least some of that crowd that have either had an abortion, um, help somebody get an abortion or thinking of an abortion. And we even had a lady come up to us that will probably be on the show in the next coming weeks that, um, was saved from that and has had several abortions.
Vicky Cherry: So you never know who you’re talking to, you know, and
Bruce Cherry: no, no.
Vicky Cherry: [00:18:00] It’s, it’s, um, a powerful message.
Bruce Cherry: Well, one of the things I, well, I’m sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, go
Father Frank Pavone: ahead.
Bruce Cherry: No, go ahead,
Father Frank Pavone: Bruce.
Bruce Cherry: Well, one of the things I had mentioned, uh, while we were there is that, ’cause we had such a nice little crowd there, I said, if you look around the next time you’re in a crowd, I didn’t wanna put anybody on the spot there, but I, I told him the next time you’re in a crowd, look around, chances are the people that are within one or two people of you have either had an abortion, helped someone get an abortion.
Bruce Cherry: Or are thinking about having an abortion. Mm-hmm. That’s right. And that is, it’s, it’s shocking when you put it in those terms
Vicky Cherry: and people don’t think that’s coming out of the church. But even in the church, especially in the church, church, especially in the church, even
Father Frank Pavone: in the church, trying to hide that same, and for those people, abortion is not an abstraction.
Father Frank Pavone: Uh, and this is part of the idea behind the National Day of Remembrance. Uh, you know, I’m privileged to be the, the, the founder of this event, uh, nationwide. I thought so. Yeah, back in [00:19:00] 2013, uh, I started, um, conceiving the idea and talking to other pro-life leaders that we should have a national day where everyone who can goes to the grave sites of aborted babies because we have been doing this already.
Father Frank Pavone: In fact, I’ve had the, uh, opportunity to bury many aborted babies in different grave sites and to go and bless or pray at others. And, um, there are about 50. Probably a few more places around the country where there are graves of aborted babies. Um, sometimes one baby, sometimes, um, a handful of babies all the way up to is a grave in, in Dallas that has 900 buried in the same grave.
Father Frank Pavone: And there’s one in Los Angeles that in one grave there are 16,500 bodies of aborted babies. So all of this has come about through a variety of circumstances. And you know, we had been, as I say, [00:20:00] involved in these kinds of efforts for, for decades. But the reason why, um. I envisioned a a day where we really need to bring as many people as possible to the places where these babies are buried, is a very simple reason.
Father Frank Pavone: Abortion, as a debate, as an issue, is too abstract. Mm-hmm. Uh, we have to get it back, back down to the concrete human. Level, we’re talking not just about ideas, we’re talking about people. Uh, we’re not just talking about viewpoints, we’re talking about victims. Uh, we’re not just talking about beliefs, we’re talking about bloodshed.
Father Frank Pavone: Uh, very often abortion is framed in terms of this intellectual debate. Well, yeah, there are the aspects of intellectual debate certainly tied in with this. But we’re talking about children who are being killed, uh, and whose very existence is, is being, is being ignored or denied. So when you go to a grave site, what is, that’s a very human experience and we know that that [00:21:00] means a person died.
Father Frank Pavone: And, and, and it’s a real person and their body is there, and we’re going there because you know, the body matters and it matters if you’re close to the body, even though if that person has died, it means something to be in physical proximity to the body of the person who died. So we’re trying to get abortion down from the abstract realm back into the, we’ve gotta rehumanize, in other words, the baby.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm. And rehumanize the whole issue. And to me, that’s how we’re going to get it resolved. These people you mentioned, you know, those that, let’s say those that have, that have had abortions, this is a healing opportunity for them because what we’re doing at the graveside is we’re grieving and those that have had an abortion, part of the healing process is precisely to rehumanize that child, reestablish the human connection with that child, feel the pain, and bring that pain before the Lord.
Father Frank Pavone: Receive is forgiveness and peace, and then be even [00:22:00] stronger in moving forward with your own life and bearing witness to the lives of these children. That’s the National Day remembers and uh, and so we have it, um, every second, every September on the second Saturday. And I’m so glad that, uh, so many people, uh, pro-life, people in churches in Florida have embraced this and, uh, as people have across the country.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm.
Bruce Cherry: You know. We all have to kind of become, um, a William Wilberforce. Uh, he is the, the 16th, 17th century Englishman who basically helped to begin the end of slavery. Mm-hmm. And he did that by humanizing slaves, right?
Show Music: Mm-hmm.
Bruce Cherry: Because a lot of people had not, had not really seen how they were treated.
Bruce Cherry: They just saw them, you know, working in the fields or what have you, but when they put a face on it. Then people started saying, oh, this isn’t right. We shouldn’t do this. And that’s what we Exactly. And that’s what we’ve gotta do with the unborn [00:23:00] because the left, the, the, the people who are pro-choice have spun it in such a way that it’s not a baby, it’s a clump of cells.
Bruce Cherry: Oh, it’s not a baby until it’s born, or it’s not a baby yet. It can’t feel pain, those things. And we have to continue to let them know, no, this was a human being. It was a baby from conception. It’s a baby, it’s a life.
Vicky Cherry: I know John Minner, um, talks about a lot about that. He, we’ve had him on and we had him at one of our, um, loved lunch learns and.
Vicky Cherry: He is all about humanizing that, that baby and making sure that’s right. That people know that it’s not a, it’s not a religious issue, it’s not a anything else. It is, well, I mean, we know it’s good and evil, but it’s, we need to make sure people understand it’s a child and there’s no reason to kill that child.
Vicky Cherry: Absolutely.
Father Frank Pavone: And you know, I think we’ve talked about this before in our previous, uh, conversations on this program, but you know, you think about the, the people having abortions. One of the thoughts that goes through the minds of [00:24:00] those grieving a past abortion, because we, we minister to them all the time through our, our Rachel’s Vineyard outreach, uh, is, you know, what happened to my baby now?
Father Frank Pavone: And they’re not just asking that spiritually. Where’s the soul of my baby is my baby in heaven, et cetera. And they’re also thinking about it physically. It’s like, wait a second. They took some, the whole core per point of the abortion procedure, they’re taking something out of my body. Mm-hmm. More specifically, they’re taking someone out of my body who also has a body.
Father Frank Pavone: Where did it go? And, and it’s a painful thing to think about, but it does exactly what. We’re saying here needs to be done, and what the National Day of Remembrance helps to do, which is, Hey, are we, we forgotten about the bodies of these babies. Where did they go? And, uh, what did the abortion facility do with them?
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm. Uh, we’re finding out now one of the big, uh, uh, uh, themes coming up in, in among a lot of the pro-life groups, including the, at the leadership meeting that we had [00:25:00] just the other day. Every quarter we bring together the national leaders is abortion, um, in our water. The, the, the, that, the, that, the, the practice.
Father Frank Pavone: Terrible practice of abortion facilities, uh, and also of people having these abortions at home. Yeah. Father, father, Frank.
Bruce Cherry: Let me, let me, let me jump in here real quick ’cause we’re up against a hard break. Uh, let’s talk some more about abortion in our water in just a bit. But right now, we’ve gotta take a break.
Bruce Cherry: We’re on with Frank Pavone. It is Pro-Life Radio. It’s a Sunday night. We thank you for joining us and we’ll be right back with more. And, uh. Yes, abortion is now in our water. I’ll share that with you in just a second. AM nine 50 FM 94.9? The answer? It is Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night.
Bruce Cherry: And we are back Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. I’m Bruce Cherry, my lovely wife, Vicky Cherry in the studio with me, and we’ve got Frank Pavone from [00:26:00] Priest for Life on with us. And we’ve got an event coming up soon that, uh, Vicky’s gonna tell you about.
Vicky Cherry: Alright. It is the Pastor’s Appreciation event and it’s gonna be October 14th and you’ll not want to miss this.
Vicky Cherry: Get your pastor signed up. It is featuring Jack Hibbs Yes. As a speaker. And I know everyone is excited about that. Mm-hmm. Um, it will be a great event. It starts at 9:00 AM goes till around noon. It’s gonna be up First Baptist Orlando. So remember October 14th.
Bruce Cherry: Is it First Baptist or is it the Hilton? It’s at the Hilton.
Vicky Cherry: Oh, they,
Bruce Cherry: it’s at the Hilton. It moved. So it’s at the Hilton. It moved. Yes. So
Vicky Cherry: now at the Hilton.
Bruce Cherry: Okay. So there, yes. So,
Vicky Cherry: alright. All right.
Bruce Cherry: At the Hilton, so we were talking about abortion in our water and, uh, father Pvo is in Boston right now at the CNP, the uh, uh, center for National Policy Conference. And somebody else is there with him who’s, who’s been speaking [00:27:00] and we had him on this show just a couple of months ago.
Bruce Cherry: John Steinberger from Liberty Council Action Ministry, uh, who’s been traveling around and letting people know, Hey, this is in our water and nobody wants you to know. So Father Frank, I know you’ve had conversations with, uh, John about that.
Father Frank Pavone: Yes. Uh, in fact, even today, uh, and he’s been presenting this to the various conservative leaders that are at this conference.
Father Frank Pavone: This is, um. You know, if we step back a moment and look at the big picture, you know, sin does not go unpunished. God is merciful. But he points out constantly in his word. And we know by our experience, sin has consequences. You can get all the forgiveness you want, but sin has consequences. And one of those consequences, you know, we all, and we’re, and the other element of it is we’re all in this together.
Father Frank Pavone: It has consequences on us all, even if we didn’t commit to sin. And that’s what we’re seeing here. This is one of, of just endless examples of this, that. As we were just [00:28:00] saying, these bodies of these aborted babies, I mean, abortion involves the destruction of a human body. Where does that body go? Where do those body fluids go?
Father Frank Pavone: Where does that blood go? And with the more and more chemical abortions happening where you have these babies, I mean. I feel, I, I feel I always have to, you know, apologize to people for the terrible, disgusting nature of this, this conversation. But you, you, you get, you know, the, these babies being, being flushed down the toilet and it’s like, my goodness, where are they going?
Father Frank Pavone: They don’t just disappear. And we have had now sufficient studies done. In fact, this was all even mentioned in the Make America Healthy again, recent report that there are chemicals going into our water supply. And this has to be addressed. Now, one of the ways it is being addressed, there is a Florida Congressman Brandon Gill.
Father Frank Pavone: And, uh, many of our viewers may, um, uh, recall seeing him frequently on [00:29:00] television ’cause he does just such, such a great job exposing the, the other side, uh, has introduced a bill, uh, to stop abortion facilities. From disposing of fetal remains in our water, in our water supply, uh, ’cause they’re doing it too.
Father Frank Pavone: So whether it’s happening at home or whether it’s happening through the abortion centers, this is a problem. And it’s a problem that needs to be addressed so that it can be solved. So, uh, yeah, it’s, uh, you know, sin has consequences, abortion has consequences, and maybe it’s things like this that will help people start to rethink the whole question about whether abortion’s a good thing to do.
Bruce Cherry: Well, you have, you have to think about it. I mean, even if you are pro-choice, you don’t want to drink. Remnants of a, of a body. You know, you don’t wanna drink biological, biological hazards in your water.
Vicky Cherry: And not just that, but the abortion pill. Mm-hmm. What’s that doing to you? Um, is it causing low birth rate?
Vicky Cherry: Yeah. Is it causing miscarriages? Is it, you [00:30:00] know, you don’t know.
Bruce Cherry: And they, and they believe it is because those, those things are all. Those statistics are all up, and the only thing that’s changed in our society is the advent of the abortion pill, and this now being in our water. And so, and,
Father Frank Pavone: and you know, Bruce and Vicky, people I’m sure immediately get the question arises in their minds, well, wait a minute, we have water treatment plants.
Father Frank Pavone: You know, we don’t try to make us think, you know, we’re drinking all these toxins, but you gotta look carefully at, I mean, these studies are, are, are, are, are very thoroughly done. Mm-hmm. Water treatment plants are not designed to handle. Abortion waste. I mean, you gotta think, you know, people were not envisioning that when they designed the systems that purify our water, right.
Father Frank Pavone: That there would be this kind of contaminant, uh, put into the system. So it is something that, uh, has to be looked at carefully.
Bruce Cherry: And something else is that, uh, and we, we had Michelle Herzog on, on the show numerous times, and she’s [00:31:00] the director for, um. Pro-Life Action Ministries here in central Florida, and they now know that some of the abortion clinics are telling the women when they give them the pill.
Bruce Cherry: Oh. When you have the miscarriage and it’s, well, not miscarriage, but when you evacuate, they, they use very generic and, and sterile type terms. When you evacuate the cells, just flush them.
Father Frank Pavone: Yep.
Bruce Cherry: And sometimes it’s a fully formed baby. Well,
Vicky Cherry: and eventually people are using those abortion pills way later than they’re supposed to be
Father Frank Pavone: using
Bruce Cherry: them.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm. Way later than they’re supposed to. Yes, that’s right. That’s right. That’s right.
Bruce Cherry: And so, and, and, but I think it might have a, a, I think it may have a little bit of a, um, an undesired effect for the abortion industry because for the first time, a lot of women are now seeing. A fully formed baby that they’re passing because of this pill.
Bruce Cherry: They’ve been led to believe that it’s nothing but a clump of cells. That it’s not alive, that it’s not a baby, that you wouldn’t [00:32:00] recognize it as a baby. They’re being told all these things and then they, mm-hmm. They have this, this child, this baby with fingers and toes. Cute
Vicky Cherry: little no, that
Bruce Cherry: sometimes it, it’s winds up in their toilet.
Bruce Cherry: Sometimes it winds up on the floor in their bathroom, and then they, they show back up at the abortion center going, what? Well, what do I do with this?
Father Frank Pavone: Yeah, that’s right. And, and because of that, uh, uh, we find in our healing programs, I mentioned Rachel’s Vineyard earlier, that the, uh, moms are coming to us much sooner after their abortion than they do when it’s a surgical abortion.
Father Frank Pavone: And the people in the abortion facility keep them from seeing, uh, those arms and legs and faces of the babies that they just had killed. Uh, so the denial is broken sooner, in other words, and therefore they feel the need for, for healing and forgiveness amount.
Vicky Cherry: And that goes back to what he said. Earlier about sin, sin has consequences.
Vicky Cherry: So yes, they can feel that, they can feel the grief, the pain. Um, they can ask for forgiveness, they can repent, but the the [00:33:00] fact is that child’s already dead. Mm-hmm. That child, that’s right. It’s a child. It’s not alum clum of cells. Mm-hmm. It’s, it’s a child, their child that they kill. Unfortunately, and you
Father Frank Pavone: know why the abortion industry pushes chemical abortion so hard Because they don’t want the burden on their heart and mind and in their feared, in their memory of seeing those body parts.
Father Frank Pavone: Notice what’s happening here. The abortion clinic workers. Are putting now the burden back on the mother that they claim to care about so much of dealing with that horrific imagery of the bodies of the, of the babies because they don’t wanna deal with it themselves. Otherwise would they have to? In a surgical abortion, people need to realize they have to stand there and reassemble the body parts.
Father Frank Pavone: And it’s like they lose, that’s why the turnover of employees in abortion clinics is at an astronomical rate because they just can’t handle this. I mean, you got nightmares. You got, I didn’t sign up for this. You know, and, and, and so they’re transferring that burden onto the, uh, the mom that they [00:34:00] claim to care about so much.
Bruce Cherry: I think there’s, I think there’s another, another part to that as well, though, uh, and, and a little bit more. Uh, it’s just the na my nature, I think it’s a little bit more sinister or a little bit more basic. It’s also financially more viable for them to prescribe the pill than to pay a doctor to perform a surgical procedure.
Father Frank Pavone: That’s right. Exactly. There’s a big financial, uh, uh. Uh, a thing going on there as well as a personnel issue. You know, the board abortion industry’s been complaining for decades that they can’t recruit enough doctors. Well, big surprise, somebody doesn’t go through the, the expense and difficulty of medical school.
Father Frank Pavone: To be known as a, as a baby killer, but they, they have always had trouble recruiting doctors and that trouble has gotten wor worse and worse. So they figure, okay, well it’s easier to get people to prescribe a pill and, you know, they could even pick it up at the pharmacy. And, um, and that’s it. We don’t have to, you always, we [00:35:00] help to solve our recruiting problem.
Father Frank Pavone: So yeah, there’s multiple, uh, multiple motives going on.
Vicky Cherry: We’ve had a doctor on before, and I’ve mentioned this before, but she, um, came around. She used to be a abortionist and you know, she talks about how, you know, you have serial killers that talk about killing, you know, however many a hundred, let’s say a hundred people.
Vicky Cherry: And she said it hit me. I’m a serial killer and I have killed far more than a hundred people. It’s been thousands.
Bruce Cherry: If you think what a burden. Yeah. If you think about that, that’s, wow. Yeah. And the
Vicky Cherry: life’s affected. We were talking to a lady that we’ve had her on before too. Our pastor, one of our pastor’s wives, she was the product of rape and incest, which a lot of people wanna legalize abortion for that.
Vicky Cherry: And she has been a great woman of God, married a pastor, adopted a son, but she’s starting to talk to the family of, um, [00:36:00] the dad. Her dad that raped her at 13 or her, her mom at 13. And so, you know, the people are like, wow, that’s what happened. They’re, they’re coming together as a family, but it’s in it that sorrow of what would’ve been lost if she wasn’t born.
Vicky Cherry: She wouldn’t have been married. Right. She wouldn’t have adopted a son. She wouldn’t have a brother. I mean, it’s, we don’t think about the future generations too often either.
Father Frank Pavone: No, no, that’s right. Exactly.
Bruce Cherry: Well. Father Frank, we are up against another break here, so we’re gonna jump into it. But coming back we’ll tell you more about the March for the Pre-born and we’ll also remind you about the upcoming Pastor’s Appreciation event that is just around the corner as we’re getting.
Bruce Cherry: We’re getting gonna be getting into October here soon, which is Pastors September. Has appreciation won by. But I, I wanna call out to all the pastors I know there’s a bunch that listen to this show. Have the hard conversations and [00:37:00] preach the hard sermons in your church. Chances are someone in your congregation has had an abortion.
Bruce Cherry: Someone is thinking about having an abortion, or someone has been encouraged to have an abortion. And you are the guardians of our society. Among, you’re among the guardians of our society. Have those conversations, preach those sermons. You know, God has called you to be the conscience of your congregation and of this country, and the church has let us down.
Bruce Cherry: That’s why we’re in the situation we’re in now. We’ll be back with more Pro-Life Radio coming up in just a bit on a nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer.
Vicky Cherry: And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicky Cherry, and in the studio with me is my handsome husband, Bruce. Hello, Bruce.
Bruce Cherry: I am here. Thank you. Thank you. [00:38:00]
Vicky Cherry: And online we have Father Frank Pavone from Priest for Life. How are you today? Hello? Hello? Yes. Good.
Father Frank Pavone: Great to be with you both.
Vicky Cherry: Great to have you.
Vicky Cherry: It has been great having you. And we are in the last segment already.
Bruce Cherry: It goes fast. It goes fast. My goodness. So, um, we were talking, uh, during the break, uh, Liberty Pastors training camp is coming up. ’cause what I said about the pastors had the difficult conversations. Um, Paul Blair is gonna be hosting the Liberty Pastors training camp in Lake Mary.
Bruce Cherry: Coming up on the week of the 20, uh, I’m, I’m forgetting 29th, the 29th week of the 20 Thank you. The week of September 29th, and you can go to Liberty Network Live to get your tickets for that, or you can go to,
Vicky Cherry: I think it’s Liberty Pastors. Frank d.org org.
Father Frank Pavone: Org org. That’s either, either one of those. You can get the tickets.
Father Frank Pavone: Liberty pastors org? Yeah, either one. Either of those. You know, we were
Vicky Cherry: [00:39:00] talking about how important it is to have our pastor step up.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm.
Vicky Cherry: They are the temperature of the culture. They are the ones that should take the lead. They haven’t been.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm.
Vicky Cherry: And they need to be,
Bruce Cherry: so many pastors are afraid that, um.
Bruce Cherry: It’s political and they could lose their tax exempt status for their church. Well, first off, God didn’t call you to have tax exempt status. He called you
Vicky Cherry: to be a pastor. To be a pastor, be a shepherd of your flock.
Bruce Cherry: Exactly. So have those difficult conversations, but if you’d like to know exactly how you can have those difficult conversations and, and, and just be in fellowship with other pastors and, and, and have some backing the Liberty pastors.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. Training camp is a great, great tool. Frank, you’re gonna be there. Correct.
Father Frank Pavone: I sure will. Yes. I get to, uh, these, uh, these, these training camps all over the country and I give the presentation on abortion. Uh, and then other presenters, uh, present on other very important issues that we’re all facing, and [00:40:00] it really is.
Father Frank Pavone: You could summarize the whole training camp with one word, encouragement. These pastors come away feeling more. Confident, ready to address these issues and confident that it, that it is completely consistent with the calling that they accepted when they first felt the call to ministry. Uh, it’s not something being added on to the gospel message.
Father Frank Pavone: What we’re showing them in these training camps is, this is how we preach the gospel message. We apply it to the, the, the real battles that people are facing every day,
Vicky Cherry: you know? A very special event for us, because that’s our pastor. Yeah. Blair. And so, um, Bruce and I go to Liberty Church, and, um, they are the, the, the main part of it, I guess is what you mm-hmm.
Vicky Cherry: I don’t know what you’d call that, but the liberty pastors.org is where you’d go for that. And pastors, they really get behind you to help you to stand up to. Mm-hmm. Be on solid ground to know what you should [00:41:00] be talking to your people about.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. And, and as a pastor, you know what you need to talk with them about.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. So they’re just giving you the tools to, to have that difficult conversation, but to know that, hey, this is what I’m called for. This is what we’re supposed to be sharing. We’re supposed to be guardians of truth and share that truth and speak that truth, and to shepherd the flock.
Vicky Cherry: And then that will lead it right back into the event with Jack Hibbs.
Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. Which everyone loves Jack Hibbs. And again, our pastor Paul Blair will be part of that event for the pastor’s appreciation event. And remember that’s October 14th
Bruce Cherry: and it’s gonna be at the Hilton. At
Vicky Cherry: the Hilton, yes. And so at the Hilton at 9:00 AM
Bruce Cherry: mm-hmm.
Vicky Cherry: And that will be another great time. And Paul Bear will be on the stage, uh, with Jack Hibbs for some.
Vicky Cherry: Time of discussion too. Mm-hmm. So, you know, um, some of our pastors are really stepping up and we are so proud of that. Yeah. And we need to do what we can to encourage [00:42:00] our pastors and you know, it’s not just a time for them to learn how to stand up, but it’s also a little break for them and their wives.
Vicky Cherry: They can stay at the hotel and enjoy a few days of rest. And
Bruce Cherry: now, now let’s, let’s make sure we clarify. With the Liberty Pastors training camp. Yes. Liberty Pastor. Yeah. Not Jack Hibbs. Yeah. Now if you wanna stay at the hotel where Jack Hibbs is staying, that’s on you. But Liberty Pastors training camp that, that comes with, uh, with a hotel room, and I understand, uh, they’re getting down to the last.
Bruce Cherry: Few rooms in the block. So if you’re a pastor within Sound of My Voice or someone who wants their pastor to go to this, get a move on and, and get signed up for Liberty Pastors Training Camp. But also make sure you put it on your calendars. October Pastor Appreciation Month, October 14th, the Pastor’s Appreciation event brought to you by Salem Media.
Bruce Cherry: Salem Radio Orlando. So
Vicky Cherry: we need to protect our pastors. They, uh, you know, nationwide and probably worldwide, they have a very high rate of suicide. They have a very high rate of [00:43:00] depression. You know, it’s, it’s gotta be, I mean, it’s a huge responsibility.
Father Frank Pavone: Yeah.
Vicky Cherry: What they’ve taken on to be a shepherd.
Father Frank Pavone: Mm-hmm.
Father Frank Pavone: And, and you know, when, when it comes to a relationship with pro-life, I always think of the, the words of a man that I knew and I helped him on his spiritual journey. Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who actually. Uh, founded, started the abortion industry in the United States back in the sixties. Dr. Nathanson ended up becoming pro-life, and he wrote publicly and, and spoke publicly of the fact, and I’ll give you his exact quote.
Father Frank Pavone: He said, we, that is, those that, that launched with him, the abortion industry, we would’ve never gotten away with what we did. If you, the clergy had been united, purposeful and strong. So he knew that their biggest obstacle was a clergy that was awake, alert on fire, and courageous in speaking about these things.
Father Frank Pavone: And, uh, that should be a lesson for us today and an encouragement [00:44:00] today that yes, indeed we are called to address these issues and it shows why the devil very much does not want us to address these issues.
Vicky Cherry: Yeah. Yeah. It’s not political. It’s good and evil and our pastors are who needs to lead that. Um, and the reason battle,
Bruce Cherry: the, the reason it’s perceived as political is because a party has, has made it part of their platform because they feel that, oh, we can get reelected in all these places and get elected in all these places if we make this political.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. And it’s not, it’s right and wrong. It’s that simple.
Vicky Cherry: Frank. That’s right. We have about five minutes left of today’s broadcast. So what do you wanna talk to us about in this last few minutes?
Father Frank Pavone: You know, I wanna urge people to, to uh, really sit that, sit back and think about why is this abortion issue still?
Father Frank Pavone: It’s sort of like the bone stuck in the throat of the American public. Why as it has not gone away. [00:45:00] We’ve been debating this. How long, you know, decade. A half a, a half a century’s gone by and, and, and it seems like we’re still where we were at the beginning with people in America so divided on this and oh my goodness, when is it gonna get out of the news cycle and out of the political debates and out of the courtroom?
Father Frank Pavone: You know, there, there are literally hundreds of court cases, uh, being litigated as we speak right now across this nation. Dealing with abortion. I mean, the day after Roe v. Wade, the New York Times had a headline, Supreme Court settles abortion. And then of course we had the Dobbs decision three years ago that settled Roe v.
Father Frank Pavone: Wade, but. Didn’t settle abortion and it, why in the world is this still so intractable? Um, and, and it, and it, it, it really calls us as Americans to think of this very profoundly. Um, one of the reasons it’s so intractable is that we haven’t really been engaging [00:46:00] in, um. In a, in a, in a, in a real debate. I mean, in effect, in effective debate, you start by defining your terms.
Father Frank Pavone: And we, I know we talked about this on our last episode together, uh, people have gotta gotta define their terms and recognize what an abortion is before you even form an opinion about whether it should be legal or illegal. But the other thing about it too is that we are approaching, and I would encourage people to put this in this perspective, we are approaching the 250th.
Father Frank Pavone: Birthday of America. Uh, and I’m privileged now to be part of a commission under the Department of Education, uh, preparing Americans to learn civics, um, more effectively and to learn to reignite patriotism, to learn the founding values of our. Country America two 50 is the name of the effort overall. And it imply it involves a lot of different groups doing a lot of different things.
Father Frank Pavone: Uh, but, but, but, but foundational to this 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence and [00:47:00] in, um, in next year, 2026, right there in the declaration. Is the right to life. And it is a great opportunity now for us to reflect, you know, maybe this issue is so intractable because right at the core of America, we have two ideas that for some reason have ended up in conflict with one another.
Father Frank Pavone: One is life, the other is freedom, life and liberty. Mm-hmm. And life and liberty are not supposed to be opposed. And the reason abortion is so intractable is that. Some people have set them up as opposed, and Americans can’t choose. It’s like, wait a minute. We believe in life, but we believe in freedom. But we believe in life, but we believe in freedom and, and, and, and we have to recognize, look, listen.
Father Frank Pavone: You can only have liberty when you respect life. And, and, and, and you can only have life when liberty is not used to take it. So we have gotta really take some steps back and say, look, maybe now’s the time, maybe 2026 is the best time for America to finally get it [00:48:00] right, uh, and resolve this abortion debate by embracing both life and liberty and recognizing it makes no sense to oppose them to one another.
Father Frank Pavone: Uh, that’s my prayer, that’s my hope, and I think that’s gonna be part of this Great. Celebration we’re about to have,
Vicky Cherry: and I know you were talking about grassroots earlier, and I think that’s so important to think about that, that, you know, you were all born for such a time as this.
Show Music: Yeah.
Vicky Cherry: All of us. Yeah. So you need to take up your cross and follow Christ Daily.
Bruce Cherry: And the reason why and I, I had this conversation with my, uh, my youngest son, uh, a week ago. He reached out to me in the wake of the Charlie Kirk shooting, and he said, dad, he says, I didn’t like Charlie Kirk, but I can’t believe somebody killed him, simply because they didn’t like what he had to say.
Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. And it worries me about our country. Where [00:49:00] do we go from here? And so we got into the conversation about a moral country. And if you’re gonna be a moral country, you’ve gotta have faith. Faith. Morality without faith is just a guideline that anybody can waver whichever way they want. Our
Vicky Cherry: constitution doesn’t work without a faith in people without faith.
Vicky Cherry: Yes,
Bruce Cherry: and so you’ve got to have faith and that faith needs to be in God. We’ve gotta get back to being a godly nation. The reason abortion exists is to hide sin. If we get back to being a godly nation, godly people, we’ll, we’ll renounce that sin and get away from it. Frank, thank you so much for being with us on the show.
Father Frank Pavone: Oh, my pleasure. Always
Bruce Cherry: safe travels for you, sir. I realize you’re gallivanting off to another part of the country, but, uh, safe travels and uh, we look forward to having you again and we will see you at the Liberty Pastors Training Camp and we’ll see you [00:50:00] at the March for the pre-born and we will have you on the show again I’m sure before then.
Bruce Cherry: So thank you, sir. I
Father Frank Pavone: look forward to it. God bless you both.
Bruce Cherry: God bless you. God bless you. That’s it for Pro-Life Radio tonight. We’ll be back next week with another show. Thank you all for joining us. God bless. And may God keep you and watch over you and, uh, may God heal our land. This is Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9 the answer.
Show Music: Good night.