Conversation with Steventhen Holland and Michele Herzog

Bruce Cherry: [00:00:00] Preserving the Sanctity of Life in Florida, a loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio with your hosts, Vicki and Bruce Cherry, and welcome on a Sunday night to Pro-Life Radio, and my lovely wife Vicki Cherry sitting across from me here.

Vicky Cherry: Good evening.

Bruce Cherry: Hello. And we have, uh, two great guests with us tonight.

Bruce Cherry: We always have great guests. One of them we have quite frequently ’cause she’s like one of our favorites, if not our favorite.

Vicky Cherry: Yes. And that

Bruce Cherry: is Michelle Herzog, the director of Pro-Life Action Ministries here in central Florida. Hey Michelle.

Michelle Herzog: Hey, there, you are some of my favorites as well.

Bruce Cherry: Well, thank you ma’am.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you. You, you, you, you, you’re making me blush and that’s kinda hard to do so, but, uh, Michelle, God bless her. She’s, uh, always outside walk counseling and, and working in the pro-life community and sometimes taking her life in her own hands because, uh, you’ve, you’ve had people come up on the curb in their car near you, is that correct?

Bruce Cherry: Uh, trying to run you over.

Michelle Herzog: Oh yes. Oh [00:01:00] yes. Quite frequently, but yes. But praise the Lord. Okay. He is our shield and our buckler, and he protects us.

Bruce Cherry: Absolutely. And we have a gentleman on with us tonight who, uh, I met, I had the pleasure and honor of meeting him. Uh, a week ago at the CareNet Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, and I thought, we have got to get this story on the air.

Bruce Cherry: Got to get this story on. Um, it’s, it’s a story that we’ve heard before from someone else, but every time it’s different because people are unique and different. So we’re gonna get to Steventon Holland, who is an author, a speaker, a musician, an activist, and a survivor. Steven, welcome to the show. Thank you sir.

Bruce Cherry: Alright, great to be on. Thank you. Before we get started here, we always start with Jeremiah one, five and prayer.

Vicky Cherry: Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you before you were born. I sanctified you, I ordained you a prophet to the [00:02:00] nations

Bruce Cherry: Heavenly Father, we ask for your blessing once again upon this show and all who hear it, we ask.

Bruce Cherry: Our request is simple. We just want to change one heart, one mind, someone out there who is facing an abortion, and we want them to know they do not have the right to end the life that you have ordained. It is a life. It’s not a clump of cells. It’s a baby. It’s a life God. We hope to bring healing. We hope to bring, uh, to light that they can seek your forgiveness and that it is.

Bruce Cherry: It is viable to have this child, God, be with us tonight and we thank you for our guests and we ask for your blessings upon them as well, and all Who here this show? In the name of your precious son, Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen.

Vicky Cherry: Amen.

Bruce Cherry: Alright, so Michelle, tell us what’s going on with Pro-Life Action Ministries right now.

Michelle Herzog: Oh my goodness. Well, [00:03:00] of course, um, our main focus is being in front of the abortion centers whenever they are killing the little baby, boys and girls and, you know, thank the Lord. We’ve seen such. Such, such a large amount of women changing their minds. Um, we recently had two baby showers and um, right after the baby showers, both the moms had their babies one day after the other.

Michelle Herzog: And it was just such an, a blessing and an encouragement, you know, to see these babies that came so close, you know, to dying. Um, and then, you know, just continuing to educate. We’ve got the light, the national life chain coming up. In October, the first Sunday of the month. So we’re hoping to get a huge crowd to line the streets to, you know, simply say that abortion it, it kills children, and you know, to pray for this nation that we will in our lifetime see.

Michelle Herzog: End to abortion. Um, and then we’ve, you know, we’ve got a lot of [00:04:00] other things going on, but, um, but yes, just seeing so many mamas choosing life is such an encouragement and such a blessing to see these little lives saved.

Bruce Cherry: It is, it is. And on that note, I’m gonna make a, a quick shift here. If you, if you will allow me to, Steven then and Steven, and, and I’m saying his name correctly, Steven, then Holland.

Bruce Cherry: And he has a very unique name because his mother blessed him with that name among other things that she blessed him with. But Steven, welcome to the show and just if you would share with me and share with us how you came to have the name Steven then.

Steventhen Holland: Well, it’s a long story, but I’m gonna be very brief and, uh, give you guys an opportunity maybe to ask some questions.

Steventhen Holland: But, uh, I’m so honored to be on the show. I am literally the only Stephen thing in the world. Um, I own.com, dot org.net. Uh, but, but no, I, uh, [00:05:00] eight, I was an 8-year-old little boy, and I had some friends at school came up to me one day and said, you’re weird and different. And I was kind of like, well, that, that wasn’t very nice.

Steventhen Holland: I mean, what do you mean. And they said, well, your whole family’s white, but you’re not. And for the first time in my life, you know, eight years of life, I realized that, hey, they’re not lying. I’m brown. The rest of my family’s white. And I came home with some questions and I found out that day as an 8-year-old little boy that I was actually a foster child.

Steventhen Holland: Uh, they brought me into the family at seven days old. They adopted me officially at age two. Um, so you know, if I’m being honest, that’s the first in my life I ever remember asking God why. Like, why do I have to be the wrong color? You know, why is this, why is my name different? Because I had four siblings, Ricky, rod, Renee, and Robin, and then they’re Steventon.

Steventhen Holland: And you would’ve thought if the color wouldn’t have given it away, right? Maybe the name would have. But, uh, but I always tell people when I have a chance to speak that I think love goes deeper. Then DNA blood or color. [00:06:00] And this family, that’s what they did for me. They just loved me. And, but that started, you know, a, a journey for me of questions.

Steventhen Holland: Um, the biggest why question for me was why did my birth mom not want me? Why did she not care? That’s, that’s just honestly how I felt as an 8-year-old little boy. And, um, but I’m gonna fast forward here for the sake of our time. On the show, um, at 27 years old, I was actually ironically living probably close to you all in Tampa, Florida.

Steventhen Holland: I was youth pastoring there. Um, my wife and I had, had lost an eight week old pregnancy, our first pregnancy, and we lost a, a 10 week old, our third pregnancy. And we actually have three daughters by the way. Um, today they’re, they’re 18, 15, and 12 now. Um, but the losses of those babies, the brokenness I experienced as a dad, that pain led me to want to seek out my medical history.

Steventhen Holland: So I started a journey of trying to find my birth mom and actually that journey, [00:07:00] it took me three days

Steventhen Holland: Oh, uh, to,

Steventhen Holland: to, to find her through a website from my birth uncle. Who was a magician and ventriloquist, and that’s from Spartanburg, South Carolina. So I met him at 27 years old and I wound up flying up to South Carolina to meet him in person.

Steventhen Holland: And I found out, um, in two days spending time with him that, uh, I was actually conceived in raped. Um, my, my birth mom was mentally challenged, only functioned as a, uh, she was 18 at the time when she was raped by five men. Um, she only functions an 11-year-old mentally. And this happened actually in a mental facility in the state of Georgia, and they were pressuring her to abort me, uh, daily.

Steventhen Holland: And this, it amazes me. It’s a miracle. Uh, this woman, with only an 11-year-old mental capacity, knew that her baby had worth and had value. And despite all the voices that were telling her to terminate, to abort her child, she chose to [00:08:00] fight. She carried me homeless, um, for most of the pregnancy until nine months pregnant, living on the streets, homeless in a cardboard box in a little town outside of Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Steventhen Holland: Uh, a family took her in the kindness of their heart and cared for us for two weeks, and she gave birth to me in a hospital in Chattanooga, and here’s where the name came from. She said when they asked her, what do you wanna name your son? She said, I wanna name him Steven. Then William Holt. And that day when I found out, um, you know how I came to be, my uncle said, my name’s Steve, Steven, and William, your middle name is, was our dad.

Steventhen Holland: Mm-hmm. So I have, I was named after my uncle and my grandfather. And, uh, but because of the way she spoke, only 11-year-old mental capacity. The way they recorded it on my birth certificate was S-T-E-V-E-N. [00:09:00] THEN, they put the Steven and Ben together

Steventhen Holland: on the

Steventhen Holland: birth certificate. So, so I’m the only, I’m the only steventon again in the world.

Steventhen Holland: Um, but just to end this, I mean, that was, that was amazing enough, just being able to find that out. But my birth uncle said, you know, uh, your mom’s alive. She’s five hours south of where we stand. And he asked me, do you want to meet her? And the Holy Spirit had spoken to me a couple months before I found him, and what I heard was it’s time.

Steventhen Holland: So I looked at him and I said, I think it’s time. So I had the honor of actually meeting my birth mom. Uh, she’s in a mental facility and, and, uh, another one, uh, ran by the state of Georgia. She was award of the state and I got to meet her at 27. Got to tell her I loved her. And thank you for choosing life.

Steventhen Holland: And she looked at me and said, I would’ve never given you up if I would’ve kept you. I love you. And I [00:10:00] didn’t even know I needed to hear that. You know, I was good. I thought everything was good, but I needed that closure in my life to know, you know, that 8-year-old little boy that was questioning why his mom didn’t love him or didn’t want him, and I was wanted and I was loved.

Steventhen Holland: So much so that she fought for me, despite everybody else saying that I wasn’t worth keeping. So, amen. That’s how I got my name.

Bruce Cherry: Wow. We, we’ve heard stories similar to that, but that story, not quite like that. We have a lady who’s very close to us who was a product of rape. Right. And, and her mother was 13 I think, when she had her and her and her mother fought to mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: Keep her, and, and at that young age of 13. Mm-hmm. And she, and she was also blessed to meet her mom. When she was 77 and her mom was 90 something years old. And, uh, and they developed a relationship, uh, although a distant one, but still that’s, uh, God has a plan. [00:11:00] He has a plan. Well, my

Steventhen Holland: mom, she was 46 when I met her, so, um, we, we actually had 11 years with her.

Steventhen Holland: She got to meet all three of her granddaughters that they call her Gigi, grandma Glenda. And, um, yeah, so she actually passed away. Uh, Thanksgiving of 2020, uh, which was, which was sad. You know, I would love to have more time with her. But as a believer in Jesus, I, uh, and she loved Jesus too. We, we actually captured our reunion us meeting for the first time on video, which it’s on YouTube if anybody cares to watch it.

Steventhen Holland: Um, it’s a little four minute clip of us getting to meet. And in that video, she said, I love Jesus. And with an 11-year-old mental capacity, that’s all I need to know. You know what, she, even at 46, she was still only 11-year-old mentally. So, uh, what I’m saying is I have a hope that I will see her again, and I know she’s complete and whole now.

Steventhen Holland: Wow. So. Hey,

Bruce Cherry: Steven, then we are up against a break. We’re gonna be right [00:12:00] back. We’d love to hear more about, uh, your life and what you do now. Sounds great. Okay. And my wife has given me hand signals here, so she, she hasn’t figured out by all these years I have. I, I don’t read hand signals. But, and Michelle.

Bruce Cherry: And Michelle and Michelle and

Vicky Cherry: we, we would love to hear more from Michelle also. That’s what I’m trying to say.

Bruce Cherry: Alright. I haven’t forgotten Michelle’s there. I I know Michelle’s gonna speak right up. I, I’m surprised

Vicky Cherry: she didn’t say anything during that very,

Bruce Cherry: she was probably wiping tears away like I was, that’s for sure.

Bruce Cherry: Okay, we’ll be right back. More Pro Life Radio on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer.

Vicky Cherry: And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. Mm-hmm. I’m Vicki Cherry in the studio with me also is Bruce Cherry. Yes, my handsome husband.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you dear.

Vicky Cherry: And we have [00:13:00] two guests online if you haven’t tuned in until just now. We have Michelle Hers Hog longtime Pro-Life Radio friend.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. And

Vicky Cherry: then we have Steven then.

Vicky Cherry: Holland.

Vicky Cherry: Yes.

Vicky Cherry: And he told the story of why he has that name. And so, um, he will speak more here in a little bit. But before we get back with our guests, I did wanna, uh, mention that Saturday, September 20 or 13th, Saturday, September 13th, this coming, this coming Saturday. This coming Saturday, mm-hmm. Is gonna be National Day of Remembrance for rewarded children.

Vicky Cherry: Um, there’s gonna be a memorial service. That’s gonna be held in Sanford at the also Cemetery. And we have been honored with the, uh, asking us to come and speak during that service. It’s gonna be at the graveside, at the cemetery there at also Cemetery in Sanford. Um, that, so that Saturday, September 13th, it starts at 10:00 AM.

Vicky Cherry: So this is, uh, a movement that was started, I believe, by uh, [00:14:00] Frank Pavone. If, if you know about that, Michelle, I don’t know. But um, yeah. And so places all over the United States is maybe you, the world, I don’t know, but at least in the United States, they’re gonna be. Remembering all those babies, those unborn b brothers and sisters in Christ, um, that have been aborted.

Vicky Cherry: And so please if you, um, be praying for that event, but if you feel moved to attend, you are more than welcome to attend. Mm-hmm. All right.

Michelle Herzog: Yeah. And Vicki, it’s really important for the folks to, um, know that the majority of the places, the venues that are gonna be holding these memorials for the innocent actually have, um, babies that were aborted, buried.

Michelle Herzog: Um, on their property. Um, there’s a Presbyterian church here in the Orlando area that have three, uh, babies that were killed by abortion and I, and I [00:15:00] believe at All Souls. And then I be at another church in Orlando as well. Um, but they’re mainly carried out where the babies are buried, that suffered through such horrible deaths.

Michelle Herzog: Yeah, it’s, it’s a huge, um, movement and um, we do need to remember our brothers and sisters ’cause they are our brothers and sisters. Uh, and they have been just.

Bruce Cherry: Marginalized is the, the, the least of what they’ve been. But yes,

Vicky Cherry: people don’t think about that. They, they, they died that they had a death and we need to remember that.

Michelle Herzog: And, and that is why we fight. Um, mm-hmm. The four of us right now on this show are, that’s why we fight because these are humans and they deserve to be remembered and they deserve to be fought for their lives. So Michelle, um, go ahead and tell us a little bit more about what you’re doing with, [00:16:00] um, your ministry.

Vicky Cherry: Well, um, with our ministry, of course, like I said earlier, you know, we’re always out in front of the abortion centers. Um, but, you know, we also become a, a, a very big part of the women’s lives that, that do choose life. And, um, you know, that’s a really special thing. Uh, this one young lady, uh, I became very, very close to her throughout her pregnancy.

Vicky Cherry: She went to, uh, all women and, um, was planning to have an abortion. Um, we had the opportunity to speak with her and so. Gosh, for, um, at least six months, at least once or twice a month, I was meeting with her up in Port Orange and she was also, um, hooked up with the pregnancy center up, up her way. And she would go to a Bible study every Thursday.

Vicky Cherry: And just becoming a part of, of, of their lives is, is just so special to see a baby saved and then a heart, you know, [00:17:00] save lives and hearts changed is. So wonderful because we’re all about, you know, sharing the gospel of Christ, because without Jesus, you know, we’re lost. We’re just lost. And when they, when these women have Jesus, they’re, they’re better mommies and they’re, and they’re, and they’re free, and, you know, they’re set free.

Vicky Cherry: So it’s just such a privilege. And then of course, we’ve got our hands full with the upcoming campaigns. I mean, Ana Eski. Who was the senior policy advisor for Planned Parenthood or in Orlando for many years. Very rabidly pro-abortion, um, e extremely, um, anti-life, um, is running, uh, to, um, take, uh, buddy Dyer’s place.

Michelle Herzog: As Mayor of Orlando, and there are no term limits in Orlando for the mayorship. And, uh, buddy Dyer’s been there for over 20 years, and if we think he has been bad, if Ana Eska gets that seed, [00:18:00] oh boy, it’s gonna, it’s really gonna be a rough road. Uh, so that’s gonna be a major focus of, um, really exposing, um, Anna Eski, uh, to the public.

Michelle Herzog: And trying to, um, get people to get on board and to make sure that there’s a good candidate to, to walk into that and, um, have an a, a good chance of, of, uh. Replacing Buddy Dyer and, uh, winning that spot. So, uh, you know, we’ve got a lot, we’ve got a lot of work ahead of us. Um, but Orlando is the main, uh, city in our area and every one of us should care about who is gonna be the mayor.

Vicky Cherry: And, uh, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s extremely important. That’s gonna be a huge focus.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah. Yeah. If we’re gonna change the world, we need to start in our community.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. Yes, absolutely. We do. Yes, we do. And we really, really, really need to [00:19:00] be praying. So that, that’s just a really, really, really important thing for us right now.

Vicky Cherry: And, um, and then just continually getting the word about abortion out. I mean, you know, it wasn’t too long ago that we had abortions up to six months. You know? Mm-hmm. You could, you could kill the babies up to six months in the womb, and now we’re, you know, down to six weeks. But our ultimate goal is for, um, all babies to have rights and, um, have their personhood restored in this state and in this nation.

Vicky Cherry: So that, that’s the main, those are the main focuses of our ministry. And, you know, we don’t waver and we don’t compromise on that at all.

Vicky Cherry: I know we’re having a doctor on, uh, next week that he talked about the abortion pill and the, um, the save pill pill. The reversal pill. The reversal pill. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, and, you know, those are so important as, as I think as we see, uh.

Vicky Cherry: The whole movement kind of transitioning from the abortion clinics to more of the in-home, do [00:20:00] it yourself kind of thing. Mm, mm-hmm. Um, the abortion pill, and so I’m sure all of the pro-life movement will have to change some of the ways they do things too because of that. But it’s a horrible evil.

Vicky Cherry: Everywhere

Vicky Cherry: it is an evil. And with the chemical abortion, um, you know, right, right here, uh, in our area, um, I know at two of the abortion, uh, facilities, you cannot get surgicals anymore. It’s only chemical abortion and nationwide speaking. This is a huge shift in the way things have been in, in the abortion movement and the, you know, the, the ways that the babies are killed, because for so long it was surgical.

Vicky Cherry: And so when the woman came in, she never saw what happened to her baby. It was just, you know, that baby was, uh, you know, removed, killed, mm-hmm. And, um, and disposed of, so she never had, had to see the remains With the chemical abortion she [00:21:00] has, you know, she takes the first. Pill at the abortion clinic, and then she goes home and takes the next pill and she, um, has the baby at home.

Vicky Cherry: And so all these women are seeing their babies, they’re seeing the remains of their children. There are many women that have looked in the face of their child. And so what I fear, I fear we are gonna have a complete mental breakdown with women. Mm-hmm. Um, with what’s happening now. Because as I said before, they’ve never had to see the remains of their children.

Vicky Cherry: Now they are seeing the remains of their children, and that is not something that you can forget. Yeah.

Vicky Cherry: That’s,

Vicky Cherry: that’s a hard

Vicky Cherry: one.

Vicky Cherry: And we need to be prepared for that.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah, and, and unfortunately we don’t talk about any of that. We don’t talk about what’s gonna happen to these women that are seeing that and, and they’re.

Vicky Cherry: Male count, you know the male that’s involved, you will be seeing it too. Yeah. So there’s gonna be there. It is [00:22:00] true. We’re gonna have a, a whole uh, uh, crisis. A mental health crisis.

Vicky Cherry: We’re, we’re a mental crisis. Yes, we are. It’s inevitable.

Bruce Cherry: Let me jump over with Steven then for just a second here. Um, Steven, then I’m, look, I’m looking at your website.

Bruce Cherry: I know you tour the country, you’re, you’re speaking at numerous pregnancy center, uh, functions and fundraisers and things like that. So you’re a speaker, author. You have a book called The Journey, and we’re gonna talk with you more about that coming up in just a little bit. But I see here something that catches my attention.

Bruce Cherry: Music, you, you sing or you, you play music.

Vicky Cherry: Um, well, my, my degree is actually youth. I was a youth minister and a, and a worship leader. I was on staff at a lot of churches. Actually, my last staff position was South Tampa Fellowship, actually in Tampa.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: Um, so not too far from you all. Uh, that’s where my wife is from.

Vicky Cherry: So I was serving in her home church, but, uh, I have 25 [00:23:00] songs out in the world. Um, I’m a, I’m a recording artist. Uh, I live about three hours from Nashville, so I record. I try to get at least a song a year. Oh, that’s my goal. And, and all of those are my heart with, those are, I call ’em songs of hope, um, because the Lord has been faithful to me.

Vicky Cherry: And, and I think music is so powerful that I think it can touch even in our conver as our conversation. I think, you know, with broken people, music can be so healing and, um, uh, it is just the passion, you know, to write. I’ve fallen in love with writing. And to me, the songs I write are just an extension of, of ministry, right.

Vicky Cherry: Uh, whether I get to speak or, and so it’s a beautiful thing, Bruce and, and ladies, I, I get to, I only, I get to actually do worship nights with, with local pregnancy centers, with some other nonprofit organizations all over the country. That’s something I also do. Uh, I usually will sing when I, when I do a fundraising event as well.

Vicky Cherry: That’s part of what I, I work [00:24:00] in. Because I wrote a song for my birth mom that I shared about, um, called You Are Not Alone, that I wrote for her. And. Um, so yeah.

Bruce Cherry: Oh my goodness. Yep. I, I don’t suppose we could get a few bars of that in the next segment. Could we Maybe? Okay. Maybe

Vicky Cherry: clear your throat, Steven, then.

Vicky Cherry: That’s

Bruce Cherry: what I usually sing with the track, but I might could give it a shot. Okay. Well, we’re we’re, we’re, we’re taking a break right now. We’re gonna come right back. We keep

Vicky Cherry: them vocals going.

Bruce Cherry: We’ve got two great guests with us today and just an incredible show. And we thank you for, for being here with us, Stephen and Holland.

Bruce Cherry: Survivor of, of abortion and, uh, and, and adopted and embraced by the love of Christ and just sharing that with us. And also Michelle Herzog, who is just a pro-life warrior to the nth degree. And, uh, and we’re so lucky to have both of them on the show with us. We’ll be back with more Pro-life radio and details on how you can help keep this show on the air.

Bruce Cherry: You like this ministry, you wanna support this ministry. We love you and we need your [00:25:00] support. We’ll have the details coming up for you. Next on AM nine 50 FM 94.9, the answer,

Vicky Cherry: and welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicki Cherry sitting across from me. It is my handsome Hudson Bruce,

Bruce Cherry: and we have Michelle Herzog, director of Pro-Life Action Ministries on with us, and we also have. Stephen, then Holland, author, activist, consultant, and musician.

Vicky Cherry: And if you were on before the break, you heard Bruce is asking Stephen then if he would share some of his music.

Bruce Cherry: It was, it was more like begging, well, I want to hear this song.

Vicky Cherry: Well, uh, I think to do it justice, we’ll have to, you know, so just forgive me, listeners. Uh, I’m probably much better than what I’m trying to do acapella, because I normally sing this song with a track. Mm-hmm. But more than that, it’s not about [00:26:00] me, I think the lyrics, but I wrote this song for my hero, so I’ll try to give a little bit.

Vicky Cherry: She’s 18 and all alone, just trying to make her way back home. That’s when they came and stole her innocence. So here she is expecting child thinking it could be a while before she holds her bait be in her arms. Oh child, you are not alone. Oh, you are not alone, child. Oh, you are not alone. He will hold you in his arms.

Bruce Cherry: Oh, right. That’s all I got. That’s all I got off the

Vicky Cherry: melody a little bit.

Bruce Cherry: Now. Now where can we get that? Where can we get it at? Because I’ll it, I’ll put a link to it on our website so folks can hear it, but where can we get that?

Vicky Cherry: Absolutely. Well, all of my music is literally on [00:27:00] every digital music form forum that you can think of.

Vicky Cherry: So if you’re a Spotify or Apple Music, or Amazon or iHeartRadio, Pandora. All the things. So, uh, Bruce, whichever platform you all would like to share a link to, you can, or I’ll even send you something later.

Bruce Cherry: You put it, well, where can we, where can we buy it? Because we wanna support your ministry.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah. Well, uh, streaming platforms, obviously you can stream it anywhere, but if you wanna purchase it, um, I usually like, you know, apple Music.

Vicky Cherry: If you, if you’re an Apple person, you can do Amazon music. Um, I think those are the two that I can think of right now that where you would actually purchase the song.

Bruce Cherry: Okay.

Vicky Cherry: Um, so yeah. But as far as stream, you know, you can, anytime anybody streams music, it gives me a little bit, it’s not a lot, but it gives a little bit so it all matters.

Vicky Cherry: Okay. You know?

Bruce Cherry: Wow. That’s, that’s powerful. I, I, that. I like that. I like that.

Vicky Cherry: And listeners, if you miss the first part of the show, you need [00:28:00] to go back after it’s on the, um, the site On, on the site and stream it. Yeah. And listen to the story of his mother and, um, how she was raped. And at 11-year-old capacity at the age of 18 in a mental hospital, correct.

Vicky Cherry: Knew that it’s a baby and it deserves life. Mm-hmm. And that is Stephen then, and how he got his name is also. Previous right.

Bruce Cherry: I’m, I’m

Vicky Cherry: gonna, I don’t want, go ahead, Bri. Sorry.

Bruce Cherry: I was gonna say, I’m gonna go out on a limb here on a ledge, and I, I, I’m having a vision. That you’re somewhere in the next 15 years, you are not gonna be the only Steven then.

Vicky Cherry: Well, I’ve actually heard, you know, and that, and I think that’s a great, you know, when you talk about, we’ve mentioned the word fighting, you know? Mm-hmm. Fighting for life. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I think, uh, our friend, um, it’s Mary, right? Please correct me if I’m wrong,

Bruce Cherry: Michelle.

Vicky Cherry: Michelle. Sorry, I, uh, I was listening, Michelle, I [00:29:00] apologize.

Vicky Cherry: Um, but I, I just think about, we mentioned the word fighting and I know you’re, you know, fighting for life and I get the blessing, um, of being able to, you know, to, to show up for those. And the way I fight is being able to share my story and I’m so honored. I just wanna say thank you for what you do. Um. I, I get, I get to see so many, I’ve been in 44 states now, and I get to stand in rooms where we’re raising money for organizations that are literally fighting on the front, front lines for life every day.

Vicky Cherry: And I just appreciate that so much. Um, but that’s, you know, we, we’ve gotta fight. We’ve gotta continue to fight. I just wanted to, I didn’t wanna forget to say that. I think, um, that’s why we’re here, right? Yeah,

Vicky Cherry: and Michelle is one of those that really are on the front lines. She’s the one that’s, um, I don’t know if we touched very much on that.

Vicky Cherry: She has been tried to run over by the car and spit on and all kinds of things, you know, that is out at the, at the abortion clinics.

Bruce Cherry: That it, it just amazes [00:30:00] me that people can be so, so heartless, so callous. So, I mean, it’s the abortion thing. Yeah. You, you, you know, they’re heartless and callous, but the people who are supporting it.

Bruce Cherry: Just, they have such hatred in them. Mm-hmm. And when you, when you take your car and try and run somebody over simply because they don’t believe the way you believe, that’s, that’s just pure evil. Well,

Vicky Cherry: I was in tears. I was sharing at a fundraising event, uh, this past week in Baltimore, Maryland. And, and the, I I usually always go in early and spend time with the organization and I just care about them.

Vicky Cherry: You know, I’m trying, I wanna minister to them, I want to encourage them. And, uh, I sat down and they showed me video security footage of. Uh, they’re literally right next to Planned Parenthood. They share a wall with them, uh, local pregnancy center, and there were men outside that do a lot of what Michelle does, and they literally were beaten.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. Um, a 70-year-old man was thrown into a wall. Um, another gentleman was punched in the face and kicked in the face. It broke his, uh, [00:31:00] eye socket. Um, it’s just, and I, I teared up, you know, as I was sharing at the fundraiser, just because these ladies literally, they park in a parking lot a block away.

Vicky Cherry: They have to walk down a back alley, all like all the staff that work there, you know, where there’s a lot of crime and homelessness and, you know, it’s just kind of scary. But they show up every day, you know, or five, five days a week. Um, you know, to, to just to meet women, uh, where they are and, and men when they, if they walk through their doors as well.

Vicky Cherry: So, um, yeah, so I love it’s kingdom work, right? Mm-hmm. We’re not in this alone and there’s way more people fighting than we, than we realize.

Vicky Cherry: He didn’t call us to lay on the couch and eat chocolate. No, no. He called us to get in the fight. And this is a, a huge fight and it’s about life.

Bruce Cherry: You know, I was having this conversation with, um, Frank Pavone and, and some other folks last week, uh, at, you really have to think about this.[00:32:00]

Bruce Cherry: We’re chosen to be here at this time. Mm-hmm. For this reason, such a time as this, for such a time as this. Mm-hmm. For this reason, and, and Steven then Absolutely.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: I mean, God had his hand upon this, this, his mother and him, and Yeah, we’re in the fight. And these babies that were saved

Vicky Cherry: ahead, um, uh, the doctor that we have on next week, um, we were talking to him and, you know, uh, the, the pill reversal is.

Vicky Cherry: You’re literally taking these babies that were. On the cutting block, basically. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. They, that was it. And then reversing that and, and, you know, to have some of those, um, those survivors Yeah. On the show at some point would be just, I mean, yeah. Crazy.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah. Well, I, I definitely can probably help with some of that.

Vicky Cherry: I know, I know, I know some people that would be good. But, uh, but, but I will say, I wanted to add to Michelle, you know, [00:33:00] I thank you so much for, you know, uh, sharing about. The abortion pill. And, but I would add to that too, that the, the credit, you know, even more alarming part is too, those pills can be gotten shipped to your home.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you don’t

Vicky Cherry: have to go to the abortion clinic anymore to get those. And that’s, that’s so scary because you know, you have a college student, for example, you know, that might be 20 weeks. And those pills aren’t supposed to be taken, you know, after like 10, so.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: Right, right. Um, you know, and then, then there, then there’s the, the very real part of potential death, you know, bleeding out and mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: Um, to mom as well.

Bruce Cherry: And what’s even scarier is you, you were, you were very generous with a college student, right? There’s, there’s high schoolers and middle schoolers Absolutely. That can get ahold of this and try and hide what’s, what’s gone on. Yeah. The danger is, is so, so unbelievably real. Mm-hmm. You

Vicky Cherry: know, when you think about that, I [00:34:00] just read yesterday, maybe it was even this morning, about a guy that gave his girlfriend, um, the abortion pill, um, because he thought she was gonna have the baby.

Vicky Cherry: And so, you know, they’re wanting to put him up on charges, but it’s like, okay, so if you’re a man and you decide you don’t want that baby and you’re gonna do something about it, the abortion pill per se. Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: You’re gonna go up on charges for murder, which he should.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: But then you turn it around and you have that woman that decides she doesn’t want the baby and takes the abortion pill.

Vicky Cherry: It’s okay. I, I mean, how do you wrangle that in your brain? Well, I think the way they’re

Bruce Cherry: justifying it is the fact that I don’t think she knew she was ta he, he spiked something. She was

Vicky Cherry: Well, yeah. Consuming. But why? Why does it matter?

Bruce Cherry: It shouldn’t matter, but it did. Yeah.

Vicky Cherry: You know, if you’re a woman, you have the right to kill your child.

Vicky Cherry: But the man of the, the father doesn’t, neither one

Vicky Cherry: should is what I’m saying. It’s an oxymoron. Mm-hmm. It’s an oxymoron. Uh, Vicki, because, and it just goes to show you, [00:35:00] you know, that you go back to 1973 when the unborn had their rights, personhood and protection stripped from them. Mm-hmm. And they literally became the property of women.

Vicky Cherry: So if women want the abortion, that’s their right. But if anybody else. You know, let’s just say there’s a drunk driver and the woman is, is hit and the unborn child dies along with her. There’s two homicides. So the baby’s a person in that circumstance, but, but the baby’s not a person for abortion reasons.

Vicky Cherry: And so they are the property of women. If the woman wants the baby. Then that’s her. Right. But if she, I mean, if she doesn’t want the baby, it’s, it’s her right to kill that baby. But if she wants the baby, then that baby is a person. And that’s, that’s where everything is so wrong in our nation. Just on matters of circumstances, you’re either a person or you’re not a person.

Vicky Cherry: And it should never be that way. It [00:36:00] shouldn’t be. And women should never have that much power.

Vicky Cherry: No, and the thing of is, it’s even in the Bible about this. You know how yes. If a woman’s pregnant and two men are fighting, I, I don’t remember the whole story, but one of them harms the, the woman and she miscarried.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. There’s retribution, you know? Right. I know. So God is saying, this is a child. This is a human, this is a person. Nobody has the right. To do anything to that child. I don’t care if it’s the mother or the father. Nobody has the right to kill that child.

Vicky Cherry: Yes, and rightly so. He needs to be punished, but, you know, but the woman gets off scot free and it, it just has to change and we have to keep on pressing forward, you know, in the name of the Lord, demanding that the rights of the unborn have their, their whole personhood, no matter what circumstance under any, any reason that they are, they have the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that we have.

Vicky Cherry: No ifs and buts about it.

Bruce Cherry: Absolutely. Okay. It’s time for another [00:37:00] break. More Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. This is really going by too fast because there’s just so much content and so much good content. With two great guests with Steven, then Holland and with Michelle Herzo. Thank you very much for being here.

Bruce Cherry: We’ve got another segment stick around. More Pro-Life Radio coming up on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer.

Vicky Cherry: And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicki Jerry. In the studio with me is my husband Bruce,

Bruce Cherry: and we are just having a grand old time in, in between the commercials

Vicky Cherry: here. We always do. We have two great, great guests on and, um, we, we need to have ’em separate again. Back.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah, yeah.

Vicky Cherry: But, um, Michelle Herzog from Pro-Life Action Ministries, and then we also have Steven then.

Vicky Cherry: Holland. Holland.

Vicky Cherry: Yes.

Vicky Cherry: And um, Steven then has a amazing [00:38:00] testimony. So does Michelle.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: Michelle. Um, actually ha, well you tell it Michelle, what Your testimony briefly.

Vicky Cherry: I mean, it’s, it’s the opposite of what Stevenson has been talking about. Um, you know, compared to her, to his, his wonderful mother at such an early age.

Vicky Cherry: Um, you know, when I, when I was young, I was, uh, in that same circumstance except for I did walk into the mortuary and, um, I ended up having multiple abortions. And, um, for many years I just didn’t even wanna live anymore. I just didn’t even wanna live anymore. But just, you know, just very shortly, you know, thanks be to the Lord.

Vicky Cherry: On June 29th, 1986, I got to the lowest of the lows and, um, God picked me up out of the pit. I had dug for myself and, uh, and, and gave me new life. I was a new creation in him. Um, but for two years after, um, [00:39:00] getting saved, um, you know, I was just, I was free from drugs, uh, freed from drinking, just completely delivered.

Vicky Cherry: But for two years I didn’t tell anybody about my abortions that I had committed. And, um, I ended up moving into the inner city of Miami, ministering to Haitian children. And, um, and it’s in the inner city of Miami. Where, uh, God, just his kindness led me to, uh, deep repentance and I just, uh, repented before the my friends in the ministry that I had committed these abortions.

Vicky Cherry: And at that moment the chains fell off of me. And even though I had been a Christian and I was serving the Lord for two years. And, and just seeking, seeking him and praising him and, um, being so thankful I wasn’t completely free and I wasn’t the total woman that God had intended me to be free until those chains fell off of me.

Vicky Cherry: And, uh, I immediately, uh, went to a pregnancy center to. Um, I wanted to do every, I wanted to [00:40:00] right away do everything. And, um, but the director asked me if I had had an abortion, and of course I told her that I had, and she said, well, you’ve gotta go through post-abortion counseling, which I did. And I praised God every day, even, even though it was so many years ago.

Vicky Cherry: I praised God, I went through the post-abortion counseling. And, you know, that was the beginning of my story. One thing led to another, and, uh, that was way back in the late eighties, and here it is, 2025. I, I thought for sure abortion would be ended in 10 years. Um, and I’ve been on the streets ever since, trying to be a voice for the voiceless and trying to rescue those unjustly sentenced to death and speaking and sharing my testimony where, when people will have me too.

Vicky Cherry: Share of his goodness. Um, and, um, and his great mercy and his, and his great and, and also his wonderful, wonderful kindness that leads to repentance. Mm-hmm. And, um, so that’s, that’s [00:41:00] how it started. And I’m still doing it. I, after all these years later, amen. Amen.

Bruce Cherry: God is good

Vicky Cherry: all the time.

Bruce Cherry: Yep. All the time.

Bruce Cherry: Steven then now you’ve shared your testimony, how you came about, your name, you, you sang for us, which is something that’s only happened maybe one other time on this show. Mm-hmm. Uh, but uh, now I have to ask you your book. You have a book called The Journey. Give us a Little Taste. What is that about?

Vicky Cherry: It’s honestly, it’s my life story.

Vicky Cherry: Um, and, and, well, that’s not even doing it justice. I, it’s a co-write that I actually have the honor of writing this book with my, my birth uncle’s wife, so my aunt, uh, by marriage. And she, uh, we co-authored this book in 2015. Um. And I had a lot of people, I met my birth mom in 20, in 2009. So it took about six years to people begging me, you know, I, I was sharing, I started sharing a little bit of my story and when the book came out, it was just, you know, I had churches and all these [00:42:00] places wanted me to come share.

Vicky Cherry: Um, I always say it’s my kind of book. There’s a ton of pictures and very large font. So I, uh, it’s about 116 pages, but it’s just my heart on paper. Um, you know, it, it kind of starts with my mom’s story, her backstory and how, you know, what happened to her, how I was conceived, and then kind of where, you know, my story leading up to when I, when I finished it was 2015.

Vicky Cherry: So there’s still another book to be written that I don’t know when it will be done, but, uh, there’s more of the story to tell. But yeah, so that, that’s it, Bruce. It’s, it’s on Amazon. Uh, you know, people can purchase it there. Um, of course when I, when I do events, I always do book signings and, you know, have ’em there live.

Vicky Cherry: Uh, but um, but yeah, so it’s, and it’s been so amazing. The book came out in 2015 and, and I’ve been pretty much speaking on my own for three years leading up to 2018. I got picked up by a national speaking agency called Ambassador Speakers Bureau, [00:43:00] and they just believed in my story enough. To gimme a platform and I think I did four events that year and this year I end was 60.

Vicky Cherry: Wow. Um, I was 2023 National Pro-Life Speaker of the fundraising Speaker of the Year, and it’s just been. I was never seeking this, uh, God just told me, you know, I realized I had a, you know, we all have a testimony.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. And

Vicky Cherry: I love Revelations 1211. It says, we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the power or word of our testimony.

Vicky Cherry: Amen. And I just realized that not only do I have a testimony for the church and for the world, but also specifically I have to share my story in this space. I have to share my story in pro-life work because, you know, a lot of people have told me I’m the poster child. You know, for why people would say that, you know, I should have been terminated, um, you know, mentally challenged mother, homeless, um, you know, just all the things.

Vicky Cherry: Um, but, and, and of course rape, you know, [00:44:00] uh, most people would say, you know, the exception. And I’ve been in places, I, I’m, I’m gonna be quick, but I’ve been in places where I’ve shared in a whole table, you know, a small group from a church, a women’s small group, literally changed their mind and shifted their perspective.

Vicky Cherry: Just by me showing up and sharing my story, and God has given me so many of those moments where I’ve seen people’s hearts change or even just be challenged on the position. Like, you know when, when I get to share my story, you put flesh and bone, you know, you put a person to your stance. You know, like, well, maybe I, I’ve never met somebody like him, so.

Vicky Cherry: Maybe I, I don’t know what I think. And if I can just do that, you know, if the story does that, then it, you know, it’s, it’s a win in my book.

Bruce Cherry: Absolutely. That’s, that’s the reason why I, I really wanted you to come on to our show and share your story, because there, Vicky and I meet so many people and some of the, mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: Sadly enough. Some of them profess to be

Vicky Cherry: pro-life.

Bruce Cherry: Pro-life. Some of them [00:45:00] profess to be Christian, some of them profess. To be clergyman. Mm-hmm. But they’ll say, well, mm-hmm. You know, in the case of rape, it’s okay. Mm-hmm. Right. And how do you, how do you say that a child that is conceived out of rape has no value?

Bruce Cherry: And, and Yeah. I’m, I’m laughing.

Vicky Cherry: I’m laughing ’cause I take it personal. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It’s like, wait, wait a minute. Hold up. You know, and that’s usually the biggest argument I get. You know, like, uh, people say, well, you know, I’m thankful that you’re here, but your mom still should have had a right to terminate you.

Vicky Cherry: And I’m like, really? I, you know, I take offense to that. I’m just being honest with you. You know, like I tell them that. I said, listen, I love you, but I challenge you on that. I, my mom’s decision to choose life has generational impact. I have three beautiful daughters, been married 19 years. You know, my girls love Jesus.

Vicky Cherry: They’re worship leaders. Like, you know, it’s generational. Mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: Like

Vicky Cherry: you literally would’ve wiped out an entire generation by saying [00:46:00] no to me.

Bruce Cherry: And your daughters, they know your story.

Vicky Cherry: They do. They could tell it to you right now.

Bruce Cherry: That’s never hit it. That’s why I said I predict in 15 to 20 years. There’s going to be another Steven then, and I think it’s gonna be your grandson.

Bruce Cherry: It,

Vicky Cherry: it, it, it, it might be, you may be right. That’s just a, because I,

Bruce Cherry: I have a feeling your daughters admire you. I have a feeling that you are their hero. And I have a feeling that, uh, when they get married, their, the first, the first child born that’s male is gonna bury your name. Just a feeling I have. You may

Vicky Cherry: be, you may be right.

Vicky Cherry: Uh, as much as I, you know, I, they, I will tell you, Bruce, they keep me humble though. You know, a lot of places it’s like, you know, man, we, you know, we love you. Like Michelle, you know, you saw my story and people talk and I come home. They’re like, dad, welcome home. You know, like, hug me, kiss me. Go on. Like, you’re, you’re not a celebrity dad.

Vicky Cherry: Shut up.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. Your dad.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah. So they keep me humble and I’m thankful for that. I love them very much.

Bruce Cherry: Wow. Man. Oh man. I just, uh, there’s [00:47:00] times when we should have a box of tissue in the studio and this is one of those times, so, um,

Vicky Cherry: wow.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you for sharing your story with us. You are welcome. Thank you. Is there anything else that, uh, you’d like to, to share with anyone before?

Bruce Cherry: ’cause we’re, we’re, we’re down to about a minute and a half here, so do you have anything else you’d like to share?

Vicky Cherry: Just for me personally, I just wanna say thank you all for having me on. Thank you for the platform, and I just wanna encourage anybody listening, uh, we mentioned it a few times tonight, but, you know, find your battle that you can fight and fight.

Vicky Cherry: Mm. Um, we, we can’t, we can’t fight every fight, every battle, but we can fight the ones that are right there in front of us. And if we all do it together, that’s, I think that’s when change happens. And I think the power of story, if you have a story to tell, don’t be afraid to share it because you matter.

Vicky Cherry: And your story matters.

Vicky Cherry: Amen. Michelle? Well, just to remember that this really is a spiritual matter that these, [00:48:00] um, places, these mortuaries, there’s Satan’s high holy places where little children are, are, are sacrificed. This is a modern day, um, uh, place of mulli and, um, we don’t do ourself a favor when we forget that it, it’s a spiritual battle.

Vicky Cherry: And no matter what area God has placed us in. Whether it’s, um, speaking, working in a pregnancy center, standing on a sidewalk, pleading for the lives of these babes, anything that we’re doing to continually, um, remember that it is a very dark, dark spiritual matter and we have to pray and be, and be really prayed up when we, when we go out to fight this battle.

Vicky Cherry: And I believe when we keep that in mind and, and giving God all the glory, no matter what happens, um, and remembering that we’re just servants of his. Then we’ll have the encouragement to keep on going on and, and continuing and to, to stay focused. Amen. For these babies to have, have their rights.

Bruce Cherry: Amen.

Bruce Cherry: Amen. [00:49:00]

Vicky Cherry: And just one more time, mentioning that National Day of Remembrance for aborted children Saturday, September 13th, 10:00 AM. If you’re not already planning to go to a place, yeah, there’s one in Sanford at also Cemetery, and you’ll see Bruce and I,

Bruce Cherry: we’ll be there. Thank you both for being on the show tonight.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you so much for sharing your story and Steventon prayers for Safe travel for you. It looks like you’ve got quite a few more. Uh uh, air Miles free, air free frequent traveler, miles that you’re gonna be racking up between now and the end of the year. And Michelle, thank you for what you’re doing and you stay safe out there.

Bruce Cherry: Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys, and, uh, thank you all who listened tonight. Thank you for the donations that have been coming in. We love you. Thank you. Keep ’em coming because we need to keep this ministry going and we thank you for that. Thanks to Pete, our engineer and our producer, and thank you all for joining us tonight.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you to my lovely wife, Vicki, for putting up with me and, uh, just being by my side as we go about this walkthrough life. God thank you. In the name of [00:50:00] Jesus, we thank you and we’ll see you next week on Pro-Life Radio. AM nine 50 FM 94.9 The answer.