What About Our Drinking Water?

Bruce Cherry: [00:00:00] Preserving the Sanctity of Life in Florida, a loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio with your hosts, Vicky and Bruce Cherry, and welcome to another edition of Pro-Life Radio. And, uh, very important information we’re gonna be sharing with you this evening on the show. So, uh, listen very closely, but of course, across from me, my lovely bride, Vicky Cherry.

Bruce Cherry: I’m Bruce Cherry and we are in the John Barrows Memorial Studio. Here at WORL and we’ve got a very special guest with us tonight, John Steinberger, who is the president of the Liberty Council Action Ministries. And, uh, John’s got some very important stuff to share with us, but first, we always start with Jeremiah one, five and prayer.

Vicky Cherry: Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you before you were born. I sanctified you. I ordained you a prophet to the nations.

Bruce Cherry: Dear Heavenly Father, we come to you again, to beseech you, to bless us, to bless all who are on this show and all who are hearing this show. [00:01:00] Give us the words to share and let us be about sharing truth and opening eyes and opening hearts to understand just how precious life is and to understand that no one has a right to end what you have ordained to be.

Bruce Cherry: God, please bless this show and all who hear it, and thank you for this opportunity. Once again for Pro-Life Radio. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

Vicky Cherry: Amen.

Bruce Cherry: John, thanks for joining us. I know you’re taking some time, uh, out and, uh, because you were always busy. I know. Last, uh, what a week or two ago, you were in DC at the White House.

Bruce Cherry: Um, so tell us about what’s in our drinking water because that’s, uh, I kind of buried the lead. There’s something in our drinking water that we never would’ve su never would’ve suspected. Is there.

John Stemberger: Well, um, thanks for having me on the show, Bruce and Vicky. I, I, I’m not sure how many radio programs are devoted to just the life issue in America, but what you’re doing is a great [00:02:00] work and I really appreciate this effort.

Speaker 4: Thanks. Um,

John Stemberger: so the reality of it is, is that, uh, it used to be most people when they think of abortion, they think of an abortion clinic. They think of a physi, quote unquote doctor. They think of going to a building. Right. But that is not the case anymore. One of the biggest changes in the last 20 years is that now the primary form of abortion for unborn children, uh, and kill them is chemical abortions.

John Stemberger: This involves a woman taking a pill, uh, Opry Stone, which basically blocks the ProRes stone from that woman, which cuts off the nourishment from the child and basically kills it within less than 24 hours, sometimes a little bit more. And then the second drug that they’re given basically. And sometimes they can, that’s enough to just expel the child.

John Stemberger: But the second drug basically basically forces the woman to give birth to that child. And the problem is this, is that in every abortion clinic in America, when the abortion’s taking place in the [00:03:00] brick and mortar building, um, they have to by state law and. Federal laws as well, clean Water Act, et cetera.

John Stemberger: They have to actually dispose of those fetal remains. And I hate to, I hate to use words that, uh, are gonna sound like the devout, the dignity and the worth of that unborn child, but basically that’s considered medical waste. That’s biohazard waste. It would be like if a hospital just started flushing stuff down the toilet, but that’s what they’re instructing women to do.

John Stemberger: Uh, so in an abortion clinic, they have to collect that. You saw the movie Unplanned. You saw the big. Barrister Barrel that came up to the service. They hire a medical waste service that takes the waste, same things with hospitals, and they go and incinerated it in a, in a proper manner under law and, and for, uh, hygiene purposes.

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. Um, but with chemical abortions, and we’re talking about. The last estimate was 64% according to the Gook Institute, which is Planned Parenthood’s own research study. We believe it’s somewhere around 70% [00:04:00] now because of all the, the increases, 2003. And also because of, uh, just the illegal, uh, pills that are flowing.

John Stemberger: But we think up to 70% of women, you’re talking about 70 700,000 a year women giving birth to a dead baby in their toilet. The reality, we know this is happening. This is a fact. And you’re talking about developing cranial structures. Send you, uh, cartilage, placenta, blood, uh, students for life estimate somewhere between 30 to 40 tons of medical waste, unborn children being dumped into the toilet.

John Stemberger: This is going into either city water systems, water treatment plants, or it’s going into local, um, septic tank. Which then have to be emptied and go into city water treatment plants. These plants were never designed, ever to handle human waste. I mean, the EPA Bruce says we shouldn’t even be flushing baby wipes

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: Down the toilet yet we’re [00:05:00] flushing babies down the toilet, living human beings that are dying and then flushing them down. It’s really tragic. Uh, and so we have to ask ourselves, what is the impact to the water? Uh, nobody’s talking about this, but once you see this issue. You can’t unsee it. It literally is right before our eyes.

John Stemberger: It’s happening. It’s happening silently, but it’s happening. And we have to ask what is the impact to our water? Um, so that’s, that’s the issue in a nutshell. The second issue, other than the, the fetal remains and the baby itself, which is not appropriate, uh, for a water treatment plant. And they don’t have waste to actually remove them Exactly.

John Stemberger: But most of it is removed. They have kind of a first. Uh, kind of screening of sludge and things. Mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: But there are

John Stemberger: microparticles of skin and things just are gonna get bruised that are not, they’re not able to capture unless the water treatment plant. And many of them are not sophisticated. They’re very unconventional, they’re very antiquated.

John Stemberger: They’re not highly technologically [00:06:00] state of the art. Most of these water treatment plants, ’cause they’re very, very expensive to upgrade. Um, so basically the second thing is the myth of Prestone. Now, myth of Prestone. Is a synthetic drug. It is not an organic drug. It does not dissolve and is not absorbed by the woman who goes to his body.

John Stemberger: So it has a life. It forms three, what’s called three active metabolite, and a metabolite is something that stays active, okay, so that Ms. Prestone retains its therapeutic effect, which is to destroy progesterone, so it becomes a lethal drug for any person that has it in their system, especially a woman.

John Stemberger: Who’s developing a new, new birth and a new child? Um, so, so this becomes a real problem for us because we don’t know, and we don’t, there’s a lot of questions we don’t have answers to because none of this has been studied at all. Um, in the year 2000, there’s this group called the population, and I’m just rambling on here.

John Stemberger: You can stop me and have [00:07:00] questions if you have questions, but, um, there’s a group called the Population Control Group. And, and the Population Council is basically a nonprofit. It’s a pro-abortion, huge worldwide pro-abortion kind of leftist think tank. And it’s kind of fueled by like guys like Bill Gates and things like that.

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. They do, they do a lot of, some good work, but they also do a lot of, you know, stuff like pro-abortion stuff. So they proposed Mipr stone in the year 2000. Well, you’re supposed to do an environmental assessment under the FDA for any drug that’s approved. All they did said, well, it’s not gonna have that much impact.

John Stemberger: Why? Because nobody was using it back then, right? It was, it was like literally just RU 4 86 has just come out. Mm-hmm. Not a big deal. And they looked at the packaging, they looked at some of the off, maybe some of the, the manufacturing effects, uh, of, of going into the air or the water, things like that.

John Stemberger: They just determined, just kind of willy-nilly without any, doing actual studies of what is the, it’s [00:08:00] not gonna be, have any effect upon the environment. So do you think,

Vicky Cherry: John, John, do you think the FDA is at fault? Did they drop the ball or are they breaking the law? You know what,

John Stemberger: no, they’re absolutely breaking the law because they, and, and the problem is this, the Clean Water Act requires any change in the drug.

John Stemberger: So they not only did they not do a correct environmental assessment, well, they actually studied the impact of the water. And the problem is this, the FDA is concerned about the drug and the human being, but the EPA should be concerned about the environment. The FDA, they don’t care about the natural logical result is that this is gonna go in the toilet.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: But nobody said anything about it because, oh, no, no impact. So it’s kinda like they were both just looking at each other, and so it was never actually studied.

Vicky Cherry: And like a lot of issues with abortion. Nobody wants to talk about the hidden side because they don’t want anybody to say it’s anything wrong with abortion.

Vicky Cherry: So we, we don’t talk about the mental health of the, of the mother after the [00:09:00] abortion or things like this, because that would bring it out into the open.

Bruce Cherry: Well speak of mental health. Imagine the shock that that millions of women have now experienced. Seeing a fully formed baby in their toilet.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: Or bringing it into the, I’ve heard many pregnancy centers, they would bring them in there and say, I didn’t think it would look like this.

Vicky Cherry: You know, devastating. That’s right.

John Stemberger: I mean, the psychological, well, this is a separate topic, but still relevant. The psychological damage to a woman is exponentially more greater with chemical abortion than with a surgical abortion. The surgical abortion. There’s some other third party actively mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: Killing your baby,

Speaker 4: right? Mm-hmm. You

John Stemberger: have attendance there. There’s at least support of medical, quote unquote, medical people around.

Speaker 4: Mm.

John Stemberger: You may be able to have somebody there with a chemical abortion. You’re talking about a woman who is giving birth by herself alone in a bathroom, in, in a toilet, in a process that could take [00:10:00] days, uh, sometimes even weeks of hemorrhaging.

John Stemberger: This is a very grizzly thing. The woman is by herself. The bathroom then becomes a trigger for the rest of her life. That bathroom in her home is the site where she destroyed her unborn child. So the psychological place of, of a bathroom being a place of rest and, and just, you know, a place to do your business now becomes a trigger psychological trigger for that woman.

John Stemberger: So, uh, chemical abortion is horrible. In terms of the impact, there’s been over 500% increase in emergency room visits. The problem is emergency rooms. A lot of times the women wanna lie. They don’t wanna say, I, I just trying to kill my baby and I’m hemorrhaging and whatever.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. But they

John Stemberger: have to go to the emergency room ’cause it, they’re, they’re hemorrhaging too much.

John Stemberger: Uh, and, and then the hospitals don’t ask good questions, so they just list it as a miscarriage. And it’s not a miscarriage, it’s a chemical abortion. So we don’t even have good numbers on that. But the numbers we do have is a 500% increase. And women going to the emergency room because of chemical abortions.

Bruce Cherry: Uh, John, uh, question, [00:11:00] are the hospitals willfully listing it as a miscarriage or do they, I mean, do they not wanna list it as an abortion to slant the numbers? Or are they being misled by the women who come in and say, I It’s both. It’s both.

John Stemberger: It’s both. Yeah. You, you have complicity on the hospital.

John Stemberger: Washington doesn’t wanna ask the difficult question to increase the trauma or whatever. They may just ask an open question, not even a pointed question. Right. How, what’s going on? And then the woman, of course, very most are not going to want to admit they just try to kill their baby through a chemical abortion.

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. So oftentimes, and, and there’s no research on this, this is just anecdotal, but it’s just from our own experience and the, and from the testimony of women who have gone through the process, they often lie and just say the miscarriage.

Bruce Cherry: Hmm. John, we’re up against a break. If you can stick around, we, we hope you can.

Bruce Cherry: ’cause I’ve got a slew of questions and one of them. How did we get here? Mail order, abortion pills. Isn’t that illegal? I mean, isn’t it against the [00:12:00] law? So we’re gonna take a break. We’re gonna be right back with John Steinberger, president of the Liberty Council Action. There’s something in our drinking water and it’s related to abortion.

Bruce Cherry: We’ll continue with this in just a bit on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer? It is Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night.

Bruce Cherry: We are back on a Sunday night Pro-Life Radio streaming Live on the answer orlando.com. Vicky Cherry, I’m Bruce Cherry and we have John Steinberger, president of the Liberty Council Action Ministries. And, uh, the question I asked when we went to break, isn’t it illegal for abortion pills to be sent in the mail?

John Stemberger: Well, um, yes. Uh. Many, many years ago, um, a, a law called the Comstock Act was passed by Congress and it prohibits, uh, the mailing of chemical abortion drugs. The problem is the law is no good if everybody ignores it and nobody’s willing to enforce it. And so, um, when the population [00:13:00] Council went to the FDA, and that’s in essence, they we’re asking for an exception.

John Stemberger: And so the FDA has the ability to approve drugs. Um, and so initially, right, these are being distributed and they, and you know, so if we’re gonna have chemical abortions, right? We need to do it in the safest way possible and the most humane way possible. So, like here in Florida, for instance, we have very strict laws.

John Stemberger: A doctor has to administer this drug. Why? Well, first of all, you need to know the gestational age of the child. If you’re not supposed to give these drugs past seven or eight weeks

Speaker 4: mm,

John Stemberger: to give them to a child that’s too older, it could cause real serious problem sickness to the mother, a real dangerous situation.

John Stemberger: Or there’s an atoptic pregnancy. You can literally threaten the life of the mother and have an emergency, uh, hospital visit, er visit on automatically. Like, like that. So there’s a lot of reasons why you have to take the first pill first, second pill second. There’s a lot of reasons why you want a doctor’s oversight, but what’s happening now is more and more Planned Parenthood is just like, oh yeah, take this pill.

John Stemberger: Go home and empty [00:14:00] your uterus out in the toilet. That’s what they’re basically saying.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. And for

John Stemberger: those who just joining the show, what we’re talking about is abortion in our water. Um, and the fact that 700,000 women a year are giving birth to dead babies in their toilet with bend up. Waters, treatment plants, and eventually in our tap water.

John Stemberger: Um, and there’s both medical waste, which is a problem. And the second problem is the mery stone, which is an active metabolite as a license of bone King on now, Bruce. Um, what we’ve also seen, um, is that there’s been an increase in the infertility rate, the rate of people not being in health children.

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. Both men and women. This, this increase is coming at the same time and it’s almost the same rate. As myth apstone and chemical abortions are coming on the rise, literally, if you look at the chart, the uh, the increase in the chart looks almost exactly the same. So it does look like there’s a correlation.

John Stemberger: Because if you have this drug [00:15:00] as intended what to do, block progesterone yet block progesterone. You can’t give birth to a child. You can’t even conceive a child, uh, because of lack of progesterone or, or the, or the blocking of the progesterone by christone. Now we don’t know this because we won’t have studies, but this is exactly what we’re asking the f FDA to do, or we’re asking the EPA to do is we have to study this.

John Stemberger: We don’t know anything about. It’s, we know it’s there in trace elements. We know it’s affected some fish life, um, but we don’t know in what levels. You know, if you have a city, like, and it may be different if you have a city like Austin, Texas, which is a desert, and they recycle their water, there’s no active bodies of water.

John Stemberger: High populations a liberal city. Mm-hmm. You’re gonna have more abortions, more chemical abortions, right?

Speaker 4: Mm. There’s

John Stemberger: more intensity there. Same thing with like Los Angeles, but if you go to a city out in the Midwest where there’s not that big of a population, maybe not so much, but we don’t know any answers.

John Stemberger: ’cause nothing’s ever been studied. And every time there’s a change, like when they, the FDA approved this drug from seven weeks to 10 weeks. Right to take for the unborn child, [00:16:00] uh, to kill it. They should have studied that. Why? ’cause it would’ve represented an increase in the amount of abortion, the amount of stone, the amount of che uh, uh, human waste going into the water system.

John Stemberger: But they never studied it again, at least seven places. They should have studied it when they changed the law, and they completely and utterly failed to do that. Now these are mainly under, you know, uh, Obama

Speaker 4: mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: Administrations and, and things like that. We’re asking the Trump administration. I know he has a nuanced position regarding chemical abortion, which is unfortunate, but he is also said, look, we want crystal clear clean drinking water.

John Stemberger: He said it five different times on the campaign trails in major speech, literally holding up bottles of water, glasses of water. And so we’re appealing to him saying. You have to look at this, Mr. President, you, you, because once you look at it, you can’t unsee

Bruce Cherry: it. You can’t unsee it. Yeah.

Vicky Cherry: Now, do you have a bill going into the, um, legislation?

John Stemberger: There’s recently a bill that was filed, uh, that relates to this issue. Um, [00:17:00] uh, it has several sponsors. Uh, we, we will have to see, but yes, we are looking into everything. We’re looking into agencies enforcing the Clean Water Act and the Environmental Protection Act. We’re looking into bills. We’re asking Congress to hold hearings.

John Stemberger: We’re appealing to the White House. There’s a lot of different activities going on. Students for Life has been in this space for mm-hmm. About five years and has done great work. Um, and we’re coming alongside them and adding to what they’re doing as well. And there’s just a big deal. Look, I mean, if we can, I know there’s a lot of problems in the world.

John Stemberger: You’ve got the war in Iraq, you’ve got, you know, rioting because of the immigration thing. You’ve got, uh, the big, big beautiful bill.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. But

John Stemberger: if we can show that. Planned Parenthood is the Joker, and the Joker is poisoning Gotham’s water supply. It’s like, wait a second. This is like in the top five issues in our country.

John Stemberger: It has to be.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. Oh, absolutely. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a threat to our, our, our health and to generations to come.

Vicky Cherry: What about, what about people that say, oh, I’ll just drink wa [00:18:00] bottled water. Does that well?

John Stemberger: Um, yeah, I’m not an expert on that. I do know that spring water is probably your best bet because it comes from a fresh aquifer.

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. A lot of bottled water is just tap water is all it’s,

Vicky Cherry: yeah. Yeah. Well, and that’s what I was wondering because it, it wouldn’t be taking out these chemicals, right? Yeah.

John Stemberger: Depending on the, depending on the level of the filter, it, it may or may not be able to get out the pharmaceuticals like the pri in the filtering process.

John Stemberger: So, um, so there’s a lot that needs to be done. So we just have to halt this drug. We have to study it. Um, there’s some solutions that have come up with other than stopping chemical abortions altogether. I mean, honestly, and I, and I, and I’m very pro-life, I, I think abortions and abomination, all of it, but temp surgical abortions are much safer and less traumatic to the woman than chemical abortions.

John Stemberger: They are, chemical abortions are horrible and they’re increase, I mean, in some Scandinavian countries, they don’t even do surgical abortions, right. In Europe. The rates [00:19:00] of, of, of the pill is the, the chemical abortion pill is just rising way beyond, uh, so the trend nationwide, uh, uh, uh, statewide and, and, uh, worldwide is basically increasing chemical abortion.

John Stemberger: And so we have to look at this and, and we have to shut it down, I think.

Bruce Cherry: And if you look at it from, uh, from a standpoint like Planned Parenthood, would it, it’s, it’s cheaper to go the route of the chemical abortion.

Speaker 4: Rather

Bruce Cherry: than having surgical equipment and, and sterilization, sterilizing equipment for the, for the instruments that you’re using and, and disposal and things like that, they just give a, a woman a pill.

Bruce Cherry: They still charge the same amount for the abortion and send her on her way. And meanwhile, you know, within 24, 48, 72 hours, she’s going to give birth to a dead child in her bathroom at home alone, most likely. That’s right. Yeah. Hey, I.

John Stemberger: They’re violating state laws regarding proper disposal of human remains.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. I mean,

John Stemberger: uh, if you’re inside [00:20:00] the clinic, they dispose it properly, but they’re instructing these abortion providers both to manufacture the pills and local Planned Parenthood are saying, go home and deliver your baby foot. They’re instructing to do this. They should be held accountable, uh, for violating human waste laws for violating environmental protection laws.

John Stemberger: I mean, they, we need to hold these abortion people accountable for this because they’re instructing the mother to do this.

Bruce Cherry: You know, I’m looking at a letter here on, uh, on your website. Uh, environmental protection efforts are necessary to counter the potential harm that chemical abortion drugs are creating for our people, wildlife and ecosystems.

Bruce Cherry: Hmm. The American people deserve to know the negative effects caused by chemical abortion. That was written by a man who has become, uh, he has become a huge, huge, uh, hero of mine. And that is, uh, former Senator Marco Rubio, who’s now our Secretary of State. And, um, so. We do deserve to know what’s in our water and we deserve to, to know that that water’s [00:21:00] gonna be pure and clean for us to drink, whether it’s either the tap or we’re getting it out of a bottle.

Bruce Cherry: And this is unacceptable, but of course. Evil that lurks in our society, that, you know, planned Parenthood and, and, and people who are population control nuts. And like you said something a little while ago, I really wanted to call you on the carpet on it a little bit. And I, and I, I mean, nothing personal. I, I love you to, I love you to death.

Bruce Cherry: Go ahead. You talked about the population control group. You said they do some good work. I can’t imagine what that would be. What, what

John Stemberger: is that? Good work, John. Well, it’s not strictly a pro-abortion group. They do some work in third world countries regarding HIV and things like that. Oh, okay. Okay. I just, I just wanted you to

Bruce Cherry: clarify that is what I wanted.

Bruce Cherry: So yeah,

John Stemberger: it’s a huge conglomerate. It’s not just pro-abortion group. If you look on their website, they have millions and millions of dollars globally funding all kinds of stuff. I don’t have time to study all of it. Mm-hmm. Most of it’s left wing, obviously climate control, that kind of thing. Mm-hmm. But there are a [00:22:00] couple of good projects that they do.

John Stemberger: But yeah, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna put any halo on them. They certainly deserve more.

Bruce Cherry: Now what is the website where people can go and study this? Uh, ’cause you’ve got a website up.

John Stemberger: Yeah. Abortion in our water.org. That’s abortion in our water.org. We have the recent report. We’ve released 77 pages. 339 footnotes.

John Stemberger: This is the most comprehensive academic white paper ever written on the topic. Uh, by Abigail Foreman, uh, Jonathan Alexander and our team Alyssa, our team at Liberty Council. Action. There’s also like simple one page flyers where you can understand the issue. In one page diagrams, we have talking points, different things, interviews that have been done.

John Stemberger: So all the information you could need is right there. Um, we really want to sound the alarm and let every American know that abortion is in your water and we have to do everything we can to stop it, get the EPA to do their job and get the FDA to do their job.

Vicky Cherry: So even if you’re, if you are for abortion, I would think that that.[00:23:00]

Vicky Cherry: Thought that what is in our water would bother you also. Right?

John Stemberger: Well, that’s right, that’s right. The water is not a partisan issue. It’s not a political issue. Uh, even every, it’s a human issue and everybody should be interested in it and concerned about it. Now, there’s a lot of people poo-pooing that’s going, oh yeah, we got a bunch of stuff in our water.

John Stemberger: Well, you know what? This is the only drug that number one is lethal to a developing human being and a woman, and perhaps a man as well, who’s reproduction. For it. Mm-hmm. And number two, it’s the only drug that produces. Fetal weight literally produces an abortion and produces a, uh, baby who’s dead within the mother.

John Stemberger: So that makes it very, very different than other pharmaceuticals.

Vicky Cherry: Absolutely.

Bruce Cherry: Well, John, we’re gonna take another break here and we’re gonna come right back and just continue with this abortion in our water. We have John Steinberger as our guest tonight on Pro-Life Radio. We are streaming live on the answer orlando.com and uh, we’ll be right back.

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Bruce Cherry: we’re back on a Sunday night, Pro-Life Radio abortion in our water. I, it, it since chills up my spine to hear, to hear that and to, to think I’m, I’m actually saying that. But this is what this show’s about tonight. It’s true. And, uh, Vicky Cherry, I’m Bruce Cherry and we have John Steinberger with us tonight.

Vicky Cherry: Well now I was gonna say too, Bruce, you know, a couple weeks ago we were out trying to do the Def Defund Planned Parenthood rally. And you know, even if you are somebody that thinks abortion is okay, I would think you would want the choice of if your money’s going to it or not. And like, I wouldn’t wanna pay for somebody to have a tran, you know, transition.

Vicky Cherry: Why would I wanna pay for somebody to have an abortion or a [00:25:00] lot of other things. Mm-hmm. It’s just, it’s just crazy.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. I mean, I’m not opposed to men getting their ears pierced. I don’t wanna pay for it. Yeah. That sort of thing. Yeah. And I

Vicky Cherry: definitely do not want any of my money to go towards abortion.

Vicky Cherry: It’s totally against my. My whole being, yeah. It is not what God wants. And to think that our tax dollars are going to that and, and it’s happening like at the tune of like 800 million or something. I mean, it’s ridiculous. But if we

Bruce Cherry: ever stood a chance of stopping that we do now with President Trump in the office.

Bruce Cherry: So that’s, that’s a good thing.

Vicky Cherry: So John, we are back on with John and um, can you tell us what’s the difference between a chemical abortion and a miscarriage at home?

John Stemberger: Yeah, that’s one, uh, kind of thing that a lot of people say on the other side is, Hey, this is no different than people miscarrying, and I understand the di there’s three differences.

John Stemberger: Number one, the biggest, the biggest difference is in a miscarriage. There’s no lethal [00:26:00] chemical drug that’s being dispersed into the water. Okay.

Speaker 4: Yeah. That’s the

John Stemberger: biggest thing. Um, secondly, uh, a miscarriage is spontaneous. The woman didn’t want it.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. She

John Stemberger: can’t help it. Uh, in a chemical abortion, it’s intentional.

John Stemberger: It can be mitigated, it can be stopped either through education of that woman or through the force of public policy and regulation. Uh, so we can stop chemical abortion. You can’t stop miscarriages. They’re, they’re spontaneous. The woman has no nothing to to say about it. Right. No choice in the matter. And then finally, um, you know, women that are having babies.

John Stemberger: That’s a valuable thing inside them that is not a blob of, of tissue. Mm-hmm. That’s a beautiful life growing inside them. And so oftentimes they’ll go to the hospital, right? They’re not just sitting on their toilet going, oh, they dump this in the toilet. They’re going to the hospital. They wanna get care, they wanna save the life of the child.

John Stemberger: And then oftentimes, if they can. It does happen in their home. They retain that child. I mean, you go through any cemetery, you can see literally they’ve [00:27:00] buried babies who were just made it for days or mm-hmm. Didn’t make it. And they have literally, uh, tombstones representing these children’s lives. Mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: And or, uh, cremating them and putting them, and they realize these are valuable children. These are human beings in the image and likeness of God. So that mother is very different from the mother, just says, Hey, I want to just destroy this thing and put it in the toilet. Um, so those three things distinguish.

John Stemberger: Miscarriages, which there’s a lot of, uh, from chemical abortions, which are just, uh, the disturbing, disturbing fact, especially when you consider the fact that this waste is going into our water systems, which are not designed to take out fully either the human waste, right?

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: Uh, the cartilage, the blood, the placenta, or, um, not designed to take up the RY stone, which is a lethal drug.

John Stemberger: To a woman’s body who is attempted to give birth or of a child.

Vicky Cherry: Have you heard about the, the, it’s all over Facebook about Cat Ka and her eco topical pregnancy. Do you, do you know [00:28:00] anything about that situation?

John Stemberger: Yeah, I read briefly about it. I don’t, I don’t have an in depth knowledge by it, but it’s unfortunate that they’re making such a big deal about that.

John Stemberger: I, I, I don’t, I, I would even question how it went down. I’m not sure they got the facts right, but it, it, it, yeah.

Bruce Cherry: Well, it seems the hospital thinks that an providing care for an atopical pregnancy is tantamount to performing an abortion. That’s not true and that’s not true because her life was at risk and everything that, that, that all the pro-choice people are about, you know?

Bruce Cherry: Well, if a woman’s life is at risk mm-hmm. You know, that sort of thing. But a woman with an atopical pregnancy, it can kill her. Yeah. And, and so for people to criticize her.

John Stemberger: That’s a legitimate medical procedure that is not an abortion. Um, you know that that’s not a therapeutic abortion, let’s say. Right?

John Stemberger: And it sounds like she had to

Vicky Cherry: Google the hospital on what the laws were. Mm-hmm. And now she’s getting all kinds of death threats, wishing her baby would’ve, you know, and [00:29:00] her and her baby would die. And it’s just horrible. The hatred. And again, horrible. Like the rally that we did for defund Planned Parenthood, there was people driving by flipping us off.

Vicky Cherry: Screaming. You know, the hatred is just crazy.

Bruce Cherry: A lady who we’ve had on this show numerous times, Michelle Herzog of uh, Pro-Life Action Ministries, um, has had people try and run her down, like try and drive up on the curb just a

Vicky Cherry: couple weeks ago and

Bruce Cherry: try and run her down. They’ve thrown objects at her. She’s been spat on.

Bruce Cherry: She’s had her life threatened. It’s just. Crazy how people get about this topic.

Vicky Cherry: Yep. The cops are there watching the Prolife group, you know, they’re like, I think you’re on the wrong side.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. But, well, I think they’re, I think, honestly, I think they’re there just to keep anything from happening. Mm-hmm. I, I really do.

Bruce Cherry: But let’s talk, let’s, let’s, let’s get back to John. Let, let’s get back to John and, and our water. ’cause this, this is very important. So the website again, is abortion in our water.org. Correct.

John Stemberger: Correct. Abortion and our water.

Bruce Cherry: Okay. [00:30:00] And this, this site is built and run by, uh, Liberty Council Action. And John is the president.

Bruce Cherry: And I commend you on the work you’re doing. You, you, you heap praise on us at the beginning of the show. You’re the one who deserves the praise because you’re the one who’s jumping on planes and, and going everywhere and back when we were fighting Amendment four and

Vicky Cherry: taken. Time out of his day off, taking

Bruce Cherry: time out, his day off and things like that.

Bruce Cherry: But also, uh, when, when we were fighting Amendment four, John and, um, um, Matt Staver were traveling the state to talk to pastors to get them to do what they should have been doing naturally, which is addressing this with their congregations and working on letting people know just how wrong it is to, to think it’s okay to kill a baby.

Bruce Cherry: So I thank you, sir. Thank you very much for what you do. God bless you. And, um, and we, you have an open invitation. Anytime we can help and, and have you on this show, please, please come back.

Speaker 4: Thank

Bruce Cherry: you. Thank you very much. [00:31:00] So, okay, now the FDA, obviously their fault. Mm-hmm. The epa ISS at fault laws have been broken and that’s what gets me.

Bruce Cherry: We have these laws, but people don’t pay attention to them and they just kinda like, oh, let’s, you know, we’ll just leave that be over there. How can we help? How can we make sure that they obey these laws? How can we get this out here in front of everybody and say, Hey, you guys aren’t doing your jobs. What can we do, John?

John Stemberger: Well, uh, three things. Number one, educate thyself, right? Go to the website, abortion our water.dot org. Get the facts. We have a one page executive summary. You can read the 37, the eight, I’m sorry, the 87 page brief. So large or small, educate yourself. There’s videos on there. So in whatever time you have, we have information in various sizes, right?

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: Forms consume, uh, either news articles or what have you. Um, that’s number one. Number two, spread the word right? Tell other people. Tell your Sunday school, tell other pro-life people. [00:32:00] This is an issue that’s literally right in front of our faces. But it’s hiding. Okay. Uh, and, and, and, uh, students for Life has been working on it, but it’s like, I, I’m like, let’s sound the alarm.

John Stemberger: We have to let everybody know about this issue. Right. You can’t just hide this issue and, and talk about it. Mm-hmm. And then number three, we need to take action because the government needs to take action at every single level, starting with Congress. Um, secondly, with the president, um, we’re lobbying the president, asking him to do, ask the federal agencies to do their job.

John Stemberger: Uh, do the studies that are needed, and this is part of the problem. We don’t, there’s so many things we don’t know, and we know this human waste is going into toilets. We know that’s going into sewer systems and city water supplies. We know that they’re not designed for it, but we don’t know how bad the problem is.

John Stemberger: We don’t know in what concentrations they’re at. Different communities may have different concentrations, and so we don’t know the health hazards of it, whether it’s actually causing the American’s infertility rate. Um, we don’t know anything. It kind of reminds me of smoking. You know, it used to be, oh, smoking’s cool.

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. No big deal. [00:33:00] Johnny Carson smoking. We had, we saw doctors smoking in black and white commercials. It was just like we were clueless.

Bruce Cherry: You used to have athletes. You used to have athletes doing endorsements. Well,

Vicky Cherry: for cigarette brands. Bruce, we just seen an ad for nicotine the other day on tv.

Yeah,

Vicky Cherry: I was shocked.

Vicky Cherry: Yeah. Ronald Reagan.

John Stemberger: Ronald Reagan, who he is an actor, he was doing cigarette commercials. Yeah. So we were clueless back then, but eventually it’s like somebody’s, oh my God. This has tar, this has nicotine, this can cause lung cancer. Mm-hmm. And all of a sudden the whole society went, woke up. That’s what we’re trying to do with this thing.

John Stemberger: And instead of the, the tobacco con companies that were going, oh, no big deal. Don’t, don’t be alarmist.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: This is okay. It’s now the pharmaceutical companys

Speaker 4: mm-hmm. They’re

John Stemberger: lying to us, that are putting this junk in the market for purely profit motive, and really don’t give a rip about what it’s doing.

John Stemberger: Both the water supply and to, uh. And to p women themselves in terms of the harm that that’s coming in. Mm-hmm.

Bruce Cherry: And, and quite possibly men, because if it’s affecting women, I, I’ve gotta believe that these chemicals have some kind of negative effect on men as well.

Vicky Cherry: [00:34:00] Infertility.

Bruce Cherry: Yes, they

John Stemberger: could. We don’t know.

John Stemberger: That’s, that’s the whole thing. We don’t know. We do know that both men and women are seeing an increase in infertility, which could be because of meth in the water. Now, in terms of taking action, abortion in our water.org, there’s several different ways. We have links where you could literally, uh, pay to actually send a fax to every single congressman, every single senator.

John Stemberger: Um, we are gonna be educating every single member of Congress and the agencies, but we need pressure from you all. If they keep hearing about this, it’s a big deal. So lobby your members of Congress. If you know somebody in Congress, you know your congressman or somebody else’s, this is something that we need literally all both parties to be aware of.

John Stemberger: And any congressman being lobbied is good. So you can take action on the site. Abortion in our water.org.

Bruce Cherry: Okay. Abortion in our water.org. So, uh, you said we could send, if you can send a fax, we can write letters. We can. Um, I, I know from my term [00:35:00] as as Republican chairman for Seminole County, I, I’ve got access to several of the, uh, elected officials at state level and some of the national level.

Bruce Cherry: So I will be sitting down writing some letters for sure. And I know Vicky will do the same, but we wanna encourage our listeners out there, get involved. This is real, this is not some plot to. Further stop abortion. Trust me, there’s, there’s enough efforts going on to stop abortion and God willing, we will end abortion in this country and eventually the world.

Bruce Cherry: But, uh, this is something that is affecting not just us, but our children and our grandchildren and could affect us. And whether

Vicky Cherry: you’re pro-life or pro-choice or whatever you are, this affects you.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. And, and this could affect us for generations to come. You know, you, you look back, I was thinking about this the other day.

Bruce Cherry: There was, uh, an episode of. I am gonna geek out here a little bit, but it was an old episode of Star Trek and they went to this planet and the, the society had died off. Mm. And they were like, what [00:36:00] happened? Well, at some point or another they stopped reproducing.

Speaker 4: Ah.

Bruce Cherry: And it made me think, is that gonna happen to us?

Bruce Cherry: Are we gonna stop introduc? I mean, ’cause it could Wow. It. Very well could. Hey, we’ve got another break and we’ll be back with our final segment. We’ve got John Steinberger, president of Liberty Council Action, talking with us about abortion in our water. We will be right back with more Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9 The answer.

Bruce Cherry: We’re back on a Sunday night Pro-Life Radio on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer streaming. Live the answer orlando.com And we are very blessed to have John Steinberger, president of the Liberty Council Action Ministries with us tonight. Vicky Cherry, across from me. I’m Bruce Cherry. John, where do we go from here?

Bruce Cherry: I mean, we, we dodged a bullet with Amendment four, but we know, we know they’re gonna come back with another initiative of some sort.

Vicky Cherry: Before you answer that, John, I just wanted to thank you again for coming [00:37:00] on tonight. Your wealth of knowledge on this and a lot of subjects is just amazing to me, and I’m so grateful that you did take time out of your day to come on and, and share with us.

Vicky Cherry: So like you right time, like Bruce said. We would love to know what your thoughts on what is gonna happen, what’s happening here in Florida? What’s happening in the country, what’s happening in the world with abortion and the movement?

John Stemberger: Well, first of all, uh, we have a divided nation.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: Um, we have states that have really restricted abortion, almost completely, um, and regulate the procedure very strictly as it should be.

John Stemberger: Then we have other states that are completely wide open, right? That are just, hey, the constitutional rights. They’re just, you know, blue states that are not gonna change unless we change the fabric of the culture. Um, these, uh, abortion amendments are extremely disturbing. Extremely disturbing ’cause they are for all [00:38:00] the marbles.

John Stemberger: Once you put something and enshrine it in the constitution, it doesn’t change. So many states have done that for the first time ever. In this last election cycle, there were three states, Florida being the first one that ever, that were to actually defeat one of these amendments.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. We

John Stemberger: also had Nebraska and South Dakota defeat, uh, their amendment as well.

John Stemberger: So that was a very exciting development. But generally speaking, overall I think we’re gonna see a decline in surgical abortions. We see, uh, doctors dying off literally just because they’re getting old, uh, and they’re fleeing this profession. ’cause of the stigma associated with killing other human beings.

Speaker 4: Mm. Uh,

John Stemberger: stigma, which is very, very appropriate. Um, so you’re seeing doctors fleeing this area quitting. They’re realizing the bloody grizzly nature of what they do, and they’re quitting, uh, becoming pro-life. They’re not getting into it. Um, so, so we’re seeing, uh, that whole process, and I think eventually we’re gonna see, uh, you know, abortion clinics are gonna be like back alley, you know, kind of like mm-hmm.

John Stemberger: Dirty [00:39:00] places, right. They’re gonna be like. And, and that’s, I think that’s gonna happen. It’s happening kind of organically. But on the other hand, what’s happening is an increase in chemical abortions where quote unquote, we can get this in the mail in violation of law, by the way, with no doctor’s approval.

John Stemberger: And it may or may not be scientifically accurate and medically accurate from Mexico or wherever, right? And so this is increasing more and more, which is sad because not only is it affecting our water, but it’s damaging women more and more psychologically. Hemorrhaging and all that, there’s no one there to actually, uh, attend to them and find out.

John Stemberger: If there’s no doctor involved, then you’re really putting your life at risk. ’cause if you don’t know the gestational age of the child from an ultrasound, or you don’t know whether you have an ectopic pregnancy, you could literally kill yourself from taking these pills. Mm-hmm. So I think that that’s what you’re gonna see nationwide increase in chemical abortion, a decrease in surgical abortion.

John Stemberger: Um, where it is now, the, the percentages differ based upon. In states where abortion [00:40:00] is legal, uh, you’re gonna have more surgical abortion. In states like Florida, where abortion is being restricted severely, you’re gonna have more chemical abortion. ’cause it’s slippery, we can’t track it, right? Mm-hmm. You have to get it in the mail.

John Stemberger: Um, and so there’s a disproportionate play between the laws and how the, uh, the abortions are taking, taking place.

Bruce Cherry: You know, with the chemical abortion, the thing that strikes me is that we know that a lot of abortions take place because people are hiding their sin. People are hiding their crime. Those who are sex traffickers.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. Human traffickers. Um, because a woman who gets pregnant, well, for nine months, she’s not gonna be able to, or for so many months, she’s not gonna be able to earn money for them, whether it’s dancing or whatever it is that she does. So they take her in. Have an abortion and put her right back to work.

Bruce Cherry: But you’ve also got pedophiles that are hiding their, hiding their crime and their sin. Yep. And now with chemical [00:41:00] abortion, they no longer, I mean, for all intensity purposes, who says they have to take ’em to a Planned Parenthood place? They could just get ahold and anything that’s available is obviously gonna be available on the black market.

Bruce Cherry: So somehow or another, they get their hands on these abortion pills and then.

John Stemberger: The big, the big lie is that, oh, this is just like taking Tylenol. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 4: That is

John Stemberger: such a bunch of hogwash. That is a complete lie. Um, you know, no one’s ever been rushed to the emergency room and hemorrhaging for days and days at a time and giving birth to a dead baby from taking Tylenol.

John Stemberger: It’s just such a bunch of lies for them to even say that. But that’s what the pharmaceutical industry is saying, and that’s also what Planned Parenthood’s been saying, uh, until recently when they’ve been cornered on the issue.

Vicky Cherry: Well, and the other thing, you know, I know is that I think it’s Kentucky, so they’ve outlawed abortion except for they have people, um, taking the, in the mail, the abortion pill.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. So, so now it’s against the law for a doctor or an [00:42:00] abortionist to kill your baby, but you can still kill your baby. And what is that doing? I mean, that’s giving women this. Uh, idea that it’s okay as long as it’s them that’s making that choice. I just, I don’t understand that women are supposed to love their babies, take care of their babies.

Vicky Cherry: The womb should be the safest place for that baby, and, and it’s, the mothers are the ones that are making that. Decision. Well,

Bruce Cherry: part of the reason that things like that happen is politics. Oh. You know, people say, what’s the job of a politician? And some people say, oh, it’s to represent the people. No, they only have one job in their minds.

Bruce Cherry: And that’s to get reelected and get reelected and get reelected. And that is why I, I love our president. ’cause he’s not a politician and he’s not shooting to get reelected because this is it for him. Uh, he genuinely loves our country and loves people. Um, so they put these laws in place that. Okay. It’s illegal for doctors to do an abortion, but it’s not for the woman ’cause because no politician [00:43:00] wants to even discuss the possibility of prosecuting a woman for abortion.

Bruce Cherry: Now they’ll prosecute a woman who leaves her kid in the car on a hot day and the kid dies, but they won’t prosecute her for abortion ’cause it’s politically explosive for them. It would end their careers.

Vicky Cherry: Well, I think that this subject has so much. More ramifications than we think about because it’s about life.

Vicky Cherry: Mm-hmm. And all life matters. And so when we say it’s okay for anybody to kill a child wherever their location

Bruce Cherry: mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: It, it changes the world. It changes our culture and

Bruce Cherry: it’s not okay. And that’s the whole thing about this. It is not okay to end a life that God is ordained, should be here. We don’t have that.

Bruce Cherry: Right. We just don’t have that. Right John? I know I’m, I’m taking up your time here, so I, I get on my soapbox and I apologize for that. That’s alright. That’s alright. Um, but, um, okay. So let’s look back here in, uh, 2023. Medical abortions accounted for more than [00:44:00] 64% of all abortions in the formal US healthcare system.

Bruce Cherry: That’s 2023, but we know that number’s not accurate. Yep. Because many of those chemical abortions were done at home. They weren’t reported as we talked about earlier in the show, uh, women that showed up at the hospital with, you know, bleeding hemorrhaging. Mm-hmm. Uh, it, oh, this is a miscarriage. It might’ve been misreported as a miscarriage or the hospital willfully reported as a miscarriage.

Bruce Cherry: So. We know that number is a lot higher than that and we’ve gotta do something. So again, the website is abortion in our water.org and it’s, uh, the site is, is built and run by Liberty Council Action Ministries. And, uh, we hope that you’ll go there and take action. So,

Vicky Cherry: John, what do you wanna share with everyone before we let you get back to your day?

Vicky Cherry: Just

John Stemberger: that, um. You know, this is such a disturbing issue. It’s [00:45:00] something that nobody wants to talk about. Mm-hmm. And when I first heard about it, I thought, this sounds like some kind of conspiracy or for that thing. But the more I looked into the science and the medicine and the reality behind it, it’s just, it’s a horrible reality.

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. It’s not only destroying human life, but now it’s poisoning the water. Almost like in the Old Testament where, you know, the whole water system is being painted with blood and it’s just sad. Um, and we just need to wake up and clean water is something that everybody can get behind no matter what your position is on any other issue.

John Stemberger: And we need to do that in America.

Bruce Cherry: Amen. Absolutely. So John, what is, uh, what is next? Uh, I know you’ve been to dc Do you have plans on going back there and, I mean, have you been invited back for another conversation about this or,

John Stemberger: yeah. We, they’re, they’re confidential conversations. We’re not kissing and telling, but we have high level conversations with.

John Stemberger: All the way up the ladder. And so we’re continuing to meet and communicate. Um, we found some [00:46:00] friendly people who understand the issue are very sympathetic to the issue. So, um, uh, yeah. Our next goal is to try to get a congressional hearing. The whole world needs to hear about this needs to be on CNN, right?

John Stemberger: Mm-hmm. Mainstream too. So we’re looking for Congress to do a public hearing call officials. On the carpet, why aren’t you doing anything? Why aren’t you studying this? What are the obstacles? You study every other chemical. You can’t slip on the switch and study Ms. Prestone. Why, why can’t we do that EPA? So those kinds of questions need to be, uh, asked publicly, uh, and before the elected officials.

John Stemberger: So we’re trying to get a, a congressional hearing and by them, by your folks going to abortion or our water.org and faxing congressmen that’s gonna help us create energy and momentum and oxygen that we need to get this, uh, congressional hearing off the ground.

Bruce Cherry: Alright. Now, John, I, I realize also there’s another chemical that’s involved in the chemical abortion.

Bruce Cherry: Miry stone is the, is the main one that, that starves the baby and detaches it from the, the, uh, uh, the, the lining of the uterus. But the, the one that causes the [00:47:00] baby to be expelled is Miss Protal.

John Stemberger: It does not have the, it does not have the same lethal effect at all.

Bruce Cherry: Okay.

John Stemberger: Just horses, contractions, just, okay.

John Stemberger: It’s not,

Bruce Cherry: so it’s it that one. While we don’t want it in our water. That’s not, that’s not the one of the two that we’re, we’re worried about. So yeah.

Vicky Cherry: Would that possibly affect pregnant women though, and cause them to go into early contractions?

John Stemberger: Yeah. I mean, you wouldn’t take it, you wouldn’t take it before you take the other pill.

John Stemberger: Otherwise you’d, that would be horrible. You know, you’d give birth to a live child that’s premature. Um, which has happened.

Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Mm.

John Stemberger: It’s not a lethal synthetic drug that’s gonna continue on the water supply, like myth, Bristol. That’s the issue.

Bruce Cherry: Myth Bristol. Okay, so we gotta remember that one. Okay, John, thank you so much for being here.

Bruce Cherry: Thanks for taking time out to join us on a Sunday night Pro-Life Radio. And for Vicky Cherry, I am Bruce Cherry. Remember, this show is funded through your donations and we hope that you will. [00:48:00] Help us keep it on the air. We want to be here every week to share truth, to share knowledge, and to help change hearts Pro-Life Radio.

Bruce Cherry: I’m Bruce Cherry. I wanna thank John Steinberger of Liberty Council Action for being here and remember. Abortion in our water.org is the website to go to. We’ll be back again next Sunday night with More Pro-Life Radio on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer streaming live on the answer orlando.com. Goodnight.

Vicky Cherry: Goodnight.