Conversation with Jason Storms National Director of Operation Save America

Bruce Cherry: [00:00:00] Preserving the Sanctity of life in Florida, a loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio with your hosts, Vicky and Bruce Cherry, and welcome to another edition of Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. I’m Bruce Cherry, and across from me, my lovely wife, Vicky Cherry,

Vicky Cherry: and good evening.

Bruce Cherry: And tonight our special guest, Jason Storms.

Bruce Cherry: Many of you know that name. If you’re in the pro-life movement, if you don’t know that name, get to know that name. He is the National Director of Operation Save America, a tireless warrior for the unborn and a family man. And when they said, Hey, start having more babies, uh, Jason and his wife, were already well ahead of the curve, so we’re gonna spend some touch.

Bruce Cherry: Is that,

Vicky Cherry: is that diaper company? Yeah. Yeah. That was their ad not too long ago. That was that Susan. Every li

Bruce Cherry: as Sarah se, Sarah se, from every life Diapers, every life diaper, yeah. Have more babies. And, uh, they were already well ahead of that. So, uh, we start everything off with Jeremiah one, five and prayer.

Vicky Cherry: Before I formed you in the [00:01:00] womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I sanctified you. I ordained you a prophet to the nations.

Bruce Cherry: Dear Heavenly Father, we ask once again for your blessing upon this show tonight and all who hear it. We ask for your blessing upon our guests, Jason Storms and his family, and we thank you for them.

Bruce Cherry: We thank you for them being in the fight to protect the unborn, and we thank you for every opportunity to share truth, to share knowledge, and to share. Your word and God, we just ask for your blessing upon this show tonight, we pray that we change someone’s heart, someone’s mind about ending an unborn life, and that we pray that all of us come to the conclusion that many of us already have.

Bruce Cherry: All life is precious. All life matters, and not one of us has the right to disqualify. Or to displace a life that you have ordained to be. God, we thank you for this opportunity. In the name of your precious son, Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen.

Vicky Cherry: Amen.

Bruce Cherry: Alright, Jason, thank you for [00:02:00] being with us. I understand you’ve had a busy weekend, um, over on the coast of Florida, correct?

Jason Storms: Yes, sir. It has been whole day.

Bruce Cherry: So you were at the Pride Festival.

Jason Storms: Yes. Melbourne, I think it’s the seventh annual Pride Fest. They have a, a gay pride parade and then festival right in downtown Melbourne and, you know, drag queen story hours, all the kinds of things you’d expect to go along with that. Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: That sexualization of children. And so we had a, a, a collection, I wanna say about 10 churches come out. We had about 60, 70 Christians out from about 10 different churches in Brevard County. To stand against it and to share the gospel, to evangelize, to pray, to open air, preach. And so it was a very fruitful time in ministry.

Jason Storms: And, uh, in, uh, hopefully, Lord willing, we, we’ll get this thing shut down for next year. Okay.

Vicky Cherry: I was telling Bruce the Operation Save America is, is doing a lot of the same things Pro-Life [00:03:00] Action Ministries is doing, where you guys are boots on the ground mm-hmm. Um, at these pride fests, at the abortion clinics, and you’re out there trying to change, change the culture that we’re in

Bruce Cherry: because when we become a moral society again.

Bruce Cherry: We, we’ll realize that, you know, abortion is not the answer. And, and we’ll get it out of our, out of our culture. We need to, uh, let me share with, uh, with our listeners a little background about Jason. Uh, Jason’s been active in the fight against abortion for over 20 years. He formally served as Operation Save America’s campus leader and then became assistant director to Rusty Thomas.

Bruce Cherry: Now, uh, a while back, uh, maybe about a year ago, we had, it’s been a while. We had both Jason and Rusty on the show at the same time, and that was a real treat. Uh, Jason has been discipled by men who have been active in the rescue movement of the eighties. As a result, Jason brings both. Passion, strength and innovation of youth and the wisdom of the ages.

Bruce Cherry: To his new role as [00:04:00] director, so national director for Operation Save America. And, uh, Jason and his wife Sarah are busy homeschooling parents, having had their 11th child. Yes. 11th that I, I’m looking at our producer in the next room looking at me going 11th. Yes. 11th child. They regularly bring their children to minister with them outside of the abortion mills and on college campuses, and Sarah is the daughter of Clara and Pastor Matt.

Bruce Cherry: True Heller of Missouri, I’m sorry, of missionaries to the Preborn. So, uh, wow. So you guys have, you guys are in the fight all the way through the entire family. Thank you.

Jason Storms: Amen. Yeah, we, I, I stand on the back of giants and, and, uh, yeah, as you said, I’m thankful for the wisdom that was shared with me from older aged men.

Jason Storms: And so, yeah, it’s, uh, it’s, you know, each, each child also teaches you a little bit, you know, children are very educational.

Group: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: And, uh, so, you know, God knew I [00:05:00] needed a lot of growth, so it gave me a lot, a lot of awesome children. But, you know, I’ll tell you, there’s not much, that’s more of a blessing than serving in ministry, worshiping the Lord with your own kids.

Jason Storms: And so I had, uh, four of my five oldest out with us today, sharing the gospel on the streets, worshiping God together. And so that is really just a special blessing and a treat. And of course, those older kids. Pour into the younger kids. You know, people think that’s gotta be so hard. You think of how difficult one, two, or three children is.

Jason Storms: You couldn’t imagine that being multiplied. But actually, believe it or not, it counterintuitively gets easier when you have a big family. The, the, the older ones become tremendously more helpful. And of course you have all the hand me downs and all the things you need. Um, and so it’s not nearly as expensive as people think.

Jason Storms: It’s not nearly as much work as people think. I’m not saying it’s not difficult, it certainly is, but, uh. But the joy far outweighs it. And so we love having a big family and we love, you know, the blessings that God has given us. So, uh, it’s a pleasure and a privilege to serve the Lord. Our [00:06:00] family and, uh, and, and being stretched and, and challenged and growing in those ways has, is, has been very beneficial for me as a man, as a husband, so

Vicky Cherry: well, and it teaches the children, you know, how to, how to be parents when they are parents, you know, it gives them kind of a life, a life experience before they have to do it without that.

Vicky Cherry: Because a lot of times people are just dropped into the parent role with no background. No, um, exactly. Previous experience, right. Yeah. Well,

Bruce Cherry: and another thing, one of the reasons why we have this problem with abortion in our land, I mean, there’s multiple reasons, but one of them is we no longer have strong families.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. And we need to get back to having strong families led by God-fearing parents. And we can get this blight off of our land, and we can get it out of our society, out of our culture. Amen. And when you’ve got children being Amen raised, amen. In a strong Christian home. That teaches them abstinence, that teaches them to make sure they’ve found their forever spouse and that they, they, you know, hold off on that, that [00:07:00] physical love, that gift that God has given us to, to enjoy that gift in the bonds of matrimony.

Bruce Cherry: And that in itself decreases the amount of abortions that we’ll be having in this country. Mm-hmm. So, uh, so I, I commend you for your, you’re just. Running a strong family and the work that your organization does and how you all sacrifice, uh, to protect God’s unborn children.

Vicky Cherry: Tell us a little bit about what kind of things did you experience at the Pride Fest?

Jason Storms: It’s a mix of things, certainly a hostility. You know, you hear the usual, you know, people saying things like, you know, let people live and let live. You know, why are you judging people? Love is love, you know, and who are you to judge how other people choose to love? You know, this is a common thing to hear.

Jason Storms: And, and so, you know, I think, I think one of the things that, that, you know, we like to highlight in response to that is that, uh, you [00:08:00] know, all, all these people make tremendous judgments about all kinds of things, right? So, mm-hmm. Uh, you know, we will, they’ll, they’ll bring up, for example, uh, you know, the sex abuse scandal that’s happened in, in, in.

Jason Storms: Multiple churches, and you know, they’ll bring that up and I’ll say, well, so you’re saying that’s a bad thing, right? And so we judge that. We judge that behavior, don’t we? We don’t tolerate that behavior. We certainly don’t celebrate it and do parades in the street, uh, you know, for protecting and proclaiming it, you know?

Jason Storms: Mm-hmm.

Group: Uh,

Jason Storms: so it’s, it’s kinda what Romans chapter one speaks about for Paul talks about the, the, the things of God being, being made known to all people through the created order, through the conscience. Yet men suppress the truth in unrighteousness and they worship and serve the creature rather than the creator, the creator.

Jason Storms: And then God gives them over to a debased mind. It speaks of, and at the end of that, in Romans chapter one, it talks about homosexual behavior, men with men. It says working that which is ungodly in receiving themselves that the, the penalty that is due. So, [00:09:00] uh, you know, they say of course, that that, that the Bible doesn’t even talk about homosexuality.

Jason Storms: This is a common talking point. You hear out there, doesn’t talk about these things. Jesus never talked about homosexuality. You know, these are some of the talking points and we point out, well, Jesus was in Israel. He, all of administrators in Israel, uh, homosexuality was a capital crime in Israel according to Leviticus.

Jason Storms: And so it wasn’t, it wasn’t something that was being practiced that he needed to address. Uh, he did affirm. The book of Genesis proclaims the foundation of biblical marriage, that in the beginning God made male and female this cause a man should leave his mother and father be joined to his wife. And the two should become one flesh.

Jason Storms: So this lays out the foundation of healthy, biblical sexual roles. And you know, sex is fundamentally reproductive. We’ve lost sight of that even in the church, that it is first and foremost reproductive. That is the purpose of our biological organs, right? Our sexual reproductive organs exist for the purpose of reproducing and we’ve completely detached sex from [00:10:00] the responsibilities associated with it, from the biological realities and implications.

Jason Storms: And it’s created absolute sexual chaos and sexual anarchy in and outside of the church. Um, and so of course you get to the New Testament, Paul in the epistles, he does address homosexuality ’cause he is going out in the Greco-Roman world. Amongst the Gentiles proclaiming the gospel and he is encountering all sorts of rampant sexually perverse behaviors in the Greco-Roman world.

Jason Storms: And so one Corinthians chapter six, for example, uh, Paul says, in such were some of you, there were ex homosexuals freed from that sin and the bondage of sexual perversion in the Corinthian church that had been transformed by the power of of Christ. So, you know, that’s the message we proclaim is that no matter what sin you’re in bondage to or what sort of sins.

Jason Storms: If you have a tendency or a temptation or proclivity towards, uh, Christ can set us free and give us the strength of the palm, of the Holy Spirit to, to, to rise above that and to live free from it. So, you know, that’s a great message of hope and love and, and healing [00:11:00] that we were proclaiming today. Mm-hmm.

Group: Yeah,

Vicky Cherry: and a lot of ’em are not gonna hear that unless you speak it. And they’re not gonna be going to church and listening to it. They’re not gonna be listening to anything that’s talking against that. Um, it’s not that we don’t Right. The worse, go ahead.

Jason Storms: E even worse, there, there are, there were many churches out there, quote unquote churches that are affirming them.

Group: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jason Storms: There, there, there, there was churches marching in their parade saying, you know, gay is okay having drag queens. Up on stage, up on the pulpit of their sanctuary and their sanctuaries of their churches, celebrating this decadence and depravity. So you’ve got, so, you know, we, we,

Bruce Cherry: go ahead. I’m sorry.

Bruce Cherry: I’m sorry. You’ve got these so-called pastors that don’t know scripture, like Leviticus 20, uh, verse 13. If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death for their blood is upon them. Yep. And they don’t know that scripture. And so they’re out there misleading god’s people that, oh, it’s okay to be gay.[00:12:00]

Bruce Cherry: It’s, it’s a sin. We’re, we’re all sinners, but we should

Vicky Cherry: step away from that sin.

Bruce Cherry: And it’s

Vicky Cherry: sin of having an affair. If you’re in a married situation, if you are married and you’re having an affair with somebody, that’s a sin too. Yeah. We’re not just talking about one sin, we’re talking about all those sins.

Vicky Cherry: Exactly. Sin. Sin.

Bruce Cherry: And the reason abortion exists is because of sin. It’s to hide sin. We’ve gotta take a break. We’re with Jason Storms, uh, national Director of Operation Save America, and we’ll be right back with more Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9 the answer.

Vicky Cherry: And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicky Cherry. Across from me is my handsome husband, Bruce,

Bruce Cherry: and welcome to the show. And we thank our guest tonight. Jason Storms, national Director of Operation Save America. [00:13:00] And, uh, he’s, he’s got his hands full. We all do. We’ve all been called to the task and we’ve all got our hands full.

Bruce Cherry: But Jason is out there with his family and, uh, and his team, and they’re doing sidewalk uh, counseling and sidewalk, uh, ministering and preaching, and we thank them for that. Jason, let’s, let’s talk about legislation because, uh, we dodged a bullet this past, well, November, uh, we dodged a bullet with Amendment four here in Florida.

Bruce Cherry: It was defeated. I know you and Operation Save America played a very important role in that. Mm-hmm. We thank you for that. And that’s not to discount any of the other ministries that did because, uh, Pro-Life Action Ministries, Liberty Council, action Ministries, Pro-Life Radio, uh, the Republican Party of Florida, all were very involved in getting Amendment four defeated.

Bruce Cherry: And aren’t we

Vicky Cherry: one of two states that actually defeated these amendments that came on the ballot out

Bruce Cherry: of 10 states? Yes.

Vicky Cherry: Something like that. Yeah. Yes.

Bruce Cherry: So, so what do you have cooking, so to speak, for legislation to protect us?

Jason Storms: We’ve been [00:14:00] working on. I traveled to seven different states just in this last legislative session to work on what we call bills of equal protection, which simply says, treat a preborn child like a born child.

Jason Storms: That’s it. That’s what I think should be the end goal of the pro-life movement to give, uh, equal protection, equal legal recognition of, of the humanity of the child, and to have that codified into law. Embedded into the culture. And so what we are been, what we are pushing for here in Florida is to find the brave legislators who want to take the lead and say, yes, I’ll sponsor an equal protection bill.

Jason Storms: Uh, that establishes life and conception. What we currently have despite, you know, pro-life super majorities in our legislature, you know, is we, we sadly are very far from that. What we have is. A heartbeat bill that was passed and, and I’m appreciative of the intentions of those that pushed the heartbeat bill.

Jason Storms: And it has had an impact on the culture for sure. But Florida, despite all of our pro-life victories and our pro-life, [00:15:00] uh, elected officials, Florida has 51 operating abortion clinic. Think about that 51 operating abortion clinics. 50,000 babies are scheduled to die this year in Florida. Uh, so that is more than every other Red State combined.

Jason Storms: Think about that. Florida has more abortion clinics than all the other red states in this country combined. So that’s not pro-life. That’s not something to boast about. No, there’s a lot of great things here in Florida that I love about the state of Florida and the leadership of Governor DeSantis. So thankful Amendment four was defeated here.

Jason Storms: Praise the Lord. But uh, that is disturbing. We need to do better. The pro-life movement needs to get more backbone, more grit, more courage to speak truth here. And we need to press on our Republican legislative, uh, elected officials to do better. They didn’t give us a single pro-life victory in the last legislative session.

Jason Storms: And that’s unacceptable.

Vicky Cherry: And it all goes back [00:16:00] to like what you were talking about, what you did this morning, um, or yesterday morning in the, you’re speaking truth, you know, speaking truth at rallies at. Pride Fest. It’s all about speaking truth, not out of hate, not out of any discontent, but love and knowing that it’s the truth of the gospel will set all of us free.

Vicky Cherry: And I’m so grateful that you’re out there doing all this and we do so, so is there a, a person that you have addressed and trying to get them to, um, start a, a pro-life bill?

Jason Storms: We’ve talked to 20 or 30 different state reps. You know, there’s a, there’s a lot that, uh, we’re the pro-life label. There’s a lot that care about this issue.

Jason Storms: You know, my own state rep, Monique Miller, um, I believe will be favorable to this from our conversations as well as other state reps, uh, here in Brevard County. Um. I think, uh, there, there, there, there, there, there’s a large number [00:17:00] around, uh, the, the state that I think would get behind this, uh, what we need is somebody who’s really gonna champion it, who’s gonna be willing to take the hits.

Jason Storms: ’cause there’s gonna be real pushback from leadership.

Group: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: Uh, what you’re gonna hear is, you know, life deception Bill goes too far. It’s, uh, the culture’s not ready for that. Um, uh, well, you know, our argument would be, well, how is the culture ever gonna be ready for that if we don’t make the arguments right.

Jason Storms: If all we do is say. Things that aren’t true rather than things that aren’t true about abortion, then how come we ever expect the culture to be ready? You know, and I’ll give you an example of that, right? So one example is the heartbeat bill itself. We spend a lot of time and energy

Group: mm-hmm. Looking

Jason Storms: to convince to the, convince the culture that, uh, that, uh, you know, abortion is, should be criminal after there is a detectable heartbeat.

Jason Storms: Now, I think certainly that is the case. Abortion should be illegal after there is a detectable heartbeat. But a baby doesn’t become a baby. A human life doesn’t begin with a detectable heartbeat.

Group: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: Human life begins at the moment of fertilization. This is, I would [00:18:00] say, a scientific fact, undeniable that a unique individual human life, a unique individual human organism, you know, whatever terms you want to use comes into existence in that embryonic stage.

Jason Storms: That is a living human being. The only question then is, does that human being have intrinsic value or does it have a conditional or relative value? Determined by say the will of the majority or whoever happens to be in power. And I think as Christians, certainly, but you know, even beyond Christians, the precedent here of Western civilization is that human life does have unique and intrinsic value that does not derive from the authority of the state.

Jason Storms: Doesn’t derive from the will of the majority, comes from God, our creator. It’s embedded in the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men are created equal. Mm-hmm. Endowed by their creator with certain level rights. And so if, if we’re gonna be morally and logically consistent and scientifically consistent, then I think we need to enshrine in our law that simple recognition that life begins at conception.

Jason Storms: These are human beings and we’re gonna protect them. And this is something that everybody knows, right? Mm-hmm. I mean, when, when you take abortion off the [00:19:00] table, right? When you talk to, you talk to a pregnant mom who wants her baby, whether she’s pro-life or pro-choice, or something in the middle. Everybody knows and everybody’s gonna refer to the baby growing inside of her.

Jason Storms: You know, this is true of OBGYNs. As you walk a mom walks into any. Medical clinic and says, I’m, I’m pregnant. Uh, can we get a checkup? They’re gonna refer to that thing growing inside of her as a baby. Everybody will universally.

Group: Mm-hmm. And

Jason Storms: so we know this, you know, every, we, we know that when human sexual reproduction is taking place, man and woman have sex, sperm fertilizes the egg.

Jason Storms: Uh, that is what we call reproduction. Uh, mom and dad have reproduced a unique individual human life that is of tremendous value and worth has come into existence. This needs to be codified in law. This is the principle that we need to rally around. This is the principle that needs to be thundered from our pulpits and, and in the streets and in our culture and in our legislative halls.

Jason Storms: This is the right thing to do. It’s, it’s where we need to stand. Anything less than that, you know, muddies the waters and really confuses people. And we’ve been guilty of that as a pro-life movement and confusing people by our failure to [00:20:00] clearly articulate our own principles.

Vicky Cherry: I, I totally agree with you.

Vicky Cherry: And, and I’ve heard, and, and just recently, you know, um. That whole, well, we need to, we need to meet in the middle and then go farther down. I’m like, no, that’s not what God says. That’s not what we’re supposed to do. We, I totally agree. We have totally muddied the waters. We’ve totally confused people. We’ve let them get away with my body, my choice.

Vicky Cherry: It’s not their body. We’ve let them get away with. It’s not a baby until it has a heartbeat. We all know it is from the time of conception. Yep. Science proves that, and, and there’s a lot of prolife people that are still saying, you know, I, I just recently heard. A representative also saying, you know, Republicans have shot themselves in the foot because they’re not willing to meet the people halfway.

Vicky Cherry: I totally disagree with that statement. We need to start from where the truth is, and the truth is, it’s a child.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm. From, from, from we’re not sex policy. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well, the the problem is, sorry, go ahead. I’m sorry. The, the, [00:21:00] the problem is Go ahead. Go ahead. You’ve, you’ve got politicians that are involved in the process, thus they’re trying to make it a political.

Bruce Cherry: Issue. It’s not, it’s a, it’s a moral issue. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a biblical issue. Um, but the, the first job of any politician, and they, some of them will be honest and tell you this, many of them won’t, but their first job is always to get reelected in the next election. So they, they, they work at dancing around skating, you.

Bruce Cherry: Polarizing issues like abortion.

Vicky Cherry: Well, and I know Bruce was, um, spent a couple years as the chair of the Republican Party, Seminole County, and part of the reason. He kept getting, um, slack was, you’re too much Jesus and too much about abortion. You need to tone that down if you wanna keep going. Well,

Bruce Cherry: I had never heard anybody say that, you know, too much.

Bruce Cherry: Jesus was too much Jesus and too much pro-life. And I was like, I, I don’t, I don’t understand that and I don’t care. And I, and I told the party, I said, [00:22:00] if you guys. Don’t want me in this position because of my stance for Christ and because of my stance for children and saving the unborn, then that’s fine.

Bruce Cherry: God has something else in store for me to do, but God put me here for this moment, for this time, and I believe that was to lead the Republican party of Seminole County up to the point of amendment four. Mm-hmm. And fortunately it didn’t pass, but after that my turn was up and I was good with that.

Vicky Cherry: And we do, we all need to just be a little stronger in that.

Vicky Cherry: Um, I totally agree with you, Jason, in all that you said. So we have a couple more minutes left to this segment. So what is our part in what we’re trying to do with this legislation? What do you think?

Jason Storms: Well, I, I think we need to get, we, I think we need to raise the bar. Of and, and unite the pro-life movement around this principle of life and conception.

Jason Storms: Mm-hmm. Uh, and, and I, I think we need to say that if, if someone wants a pro-life endorsement, [00:23:00] whether they have an R, their name isn’t gonna cut it, and just saying, I’m pro-life isn’t gonna cut it. We need to measure substantive action. Right. And what the pro-life movement has been very poor at is we, we’ve just been pushovers and we give endorsements and, and, and you know, and sadly there are, there are pro-life groups that, that get, I, I think honestly are, are taking a lot of bribe money from Republican leadership to do their bidding and to cover for them.

Vicky Cherry: I think so too. And you

Jason Storms: know. I think what’s, what we need to do is, is connect the dots to the grassroots base of conservatism. The MAGA movement where people are fed up with the status quo, they’re fed up with establishment, they recognize there’s a swamp that needs to be drained, and uh, and they want, they want results.

Jason Storms: And Trump has been somebody that for the first time in my political lifetime of almost 30 years of fighting this battle, he stood up and when he gets punched, he punches back. And how invigorating and inspiring that is to the grassroots base of conservatives. We need that kind of fight in the pro-life movement.

Jason Storms: ’cause [00:24:00] we’ve been, we’ve lacked it. You know, we have not had that kind of gritty fight and determination amongst our own people. We’ve just allowed ourselves to get pushed over for 50 years without any real substantive pro-life victories nationally. And, you know, up until the overturn of Roe versus Wade.

Jason Storms: We hadn’t really seen a, a, a significant pro-life policy victory in 50 years despite pro-lifers winning so many elections and having so much resources. And so we need to be wiser. We need to be smarter. And, and, and, and the wisdom would say now is not the time to retreat, now is not the time to do what, you know, you all were just saying where you have reps saying, we need to meet in the middle.

Jason Storms: Mm-hmm. No, Trump is pushing forward. Significant reforms on a number of issues that the people want, and he’s taking hits for it. Yes. It’s, it’s controversial. We’re in a fight that means you’re gonna get punched, uh, you know, and we, we need to be ready to punch it back. And that’s, that’s the kinda leadership we need with the prolife movement.

Jason Storms: Governor DeSantis, I think, has that, but I don’t see it in the state legislature and our leadership right now.

Group: And we need to

Jason Storms: get it, and I wanna see it in more pro-life groups here. So what I hope. Coming here to [00:25:00] Florida is that we can help inspire and embolden the prolife organizations that have been working hard around this state to unify our voices and to say, look, you’re not going to get a pro-life endorsement out of any of us if you are not gonna stand up and take substantive action.

Jason Storms: Give us a bill of equal protection for pre-born children. Let’s codify this into law. Let’s establish a culture of life here in Florida. We’re gonna get blowback, we’re gonna get hate. We’re gonna get, we’re gonna get all kinds of attacks, but let’s fight and let’s win. DeSantis has done it wonderfully on so many other issues.

Jason Storms: Mm-hmm. We need to do it on this issue. Alright. And I think we can be persuasive. I think we can win the argument to the culture. I think we can persuade people and we can win this fight.

Bruce Cherry: Okay. Hey Jason. We’re up against a break, so we’re gonna come right back. And we’re with Jason Storms of Operation Save America and coming up how to have a stronger family, a stronger marriage, clean comedy Date night.

Bruce Cherry: We’ll give you the details coming up on prolife Radio on AM nine 50 FM 94.9, the answer streaming live on the answer orlando.com.[00:26:00]

Bruce Cherry: And we’re back on Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. My lovely wife, Vicky Cherry, across from me. I’m Bruce Cherry, and on the line we have with us, uh, as we’re coming to you from the John Barrows Studios, I wanna make sure to point that out. Uh, we have Jason Storms, who is the National Director of Operation Save America, and he lives right here in the free state of Florida.

Bruce Cherry: Yes. Amen. Yeah. And so, uh. Uh, I told you I’d, I’d share with everyone about, uh, we know if we have strong families, we have loving husbands and wives and strong families, then that’s great for our, for our culture, great for our society. And that means fewer abortions. Well, part of having a strong family, it’s making sure that you make time for you.

Bruce Cherry: Husband and wives, make sure you have time for you, and that’s why you’re gonna wanna see this clean comedy date night. It’s being put on by Three Cord Marriage, which is a ministry here in central [00:27:00] Florida. And the the, uh, save the date Saturday, October 18th at Boone High School’s Performing Arts Center.

Bruce Cherry: It is clean comedy date night, only 30 bucks a couple. First of all, finding someplace to go on a date for 30 bucks a couple is, is rare, but clean Comedy night can’t pass it up. I know we’re going Vicky and I love clean comedy. And, uh, so you can find, uh, your tickets online@threechordmarriage.com. That’s T-H-R-E-E.

Bruce Cherry: CORD marriage.com. Get your tickets while they last three. Court marriage claim comedy date night only $30 per couple. Saturday, October 18th at Boone High School Performing Arts Center. So definitely get out and partake in that. Alright, back to Jason. Storms of Operation Save America. Jason, we talked about how the politicians are, are, are losing it for us and, and not really standing up.

Bruce Cherry: Um, what are some things that, that we can do?

Jason Storms: I would [00:28:00] say, you know, one would be to get your church involved. It’s so important that churches are engaged in this issue that they’re teaching, you know, uh, from the pulpit. Mm-hmm. How to think rightly about this issue and, and, and about cultural issues in general.

Jason Storms: All these topics we’re talking about from marriage, you know, we were talking about the prize fest, we’re talking about abortion. These things all flow from the same fountain. Which is the breakdown of marriage, family, and respect for life, right? These all flow out of a, a breakdown of a biblical worldview that’s governing our society.

Jason Storms: And so we have to teach people how to think biblically, and that’s the greatest antidote to, to what the enemy is doing, to destroy lives and to seduce people into this destructive behavior. And so, uh, we, we need to be educating folks. In our own churches, first and foremost, and then taking that message out into the streets.

Jason Storms: You know, Jesus said, go and go and preach the gospel. Make disciples of all nations. And so we need to be active in our communities. You know, are, are you engaging the people in your neighborhood? [00:29:00] And that can be something very simple. Uh, putting, passing out tracks in your neighborhood. A simple little gospel message or a message about life, or a little message about embryonic development or some, some, some things like, uh, you know, what you were just promoting Family date night, these kinds of things, putting out this kind of material.

Jason Storms: In your community? Uh, finding creative ways to, to put these ideas, to plant seeds, to sow seeds and heart and hearts and minds in your community. Um, and then praying. Praying over that, you know, and you’ll see God begin to work. There is a move of God happening. You know, I think we all see it. You know, we haven’t really mentioned what happened with Charlie Kirk just a couple weeks ago.

Group: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: Mm-hmm. But, you know, there’s no doubt that there is an awakening happening in our country. Young people are seeing the depravity, they’re seeing the breakdown, they’re seeing the, the confusion and the darkness, and they’re looking for answers. And so there’s a tremendous opportunity, and that opportunity is gonna come to those that are engaged in the fight, not gonna come to those who’ve been sitting passively on the sidelines.

Jason Storms: It’s not gonna come to those who’ve been too afraid to speak up for fear of offending people. So, uh, those that are in the fight. [00:30:00] Are gonna be the ones that are gonna reap the, reap the tremendous opportunities right now on the harvest right now. So I’d say get in the fight. If you’ve not been in the fight, elevate your voice, find good people to work with, get engaged in your community and, uh, in, in local government as well, we could say so much about that.

Jason Storms: So then I’d say call your local state reps who are, you know, I’d ask your audience, who are your, who’s your state rep? Who’s your state senator? Call them and call the speaker of the house so that, you know, the, the state legislature is made up of the house and the senate. Speaker of the house is Daniel Perez, president of the Senate is been Alba or Albrighton.

Jason Storms: I’m not sure how to pronounce his name exactly, but, uh, you can look those guys up. You can email them, give ’em a phone call. Have your pastor send a message, uh, or your, your priest or whoever send, have, have them send a message to. Be sure that your church is communicating to these people. I talk to state representatives all the time who say they’ve never had a Christian ever walk in their office and make a demand of them.

Jason Storms: Wow. Never had a pastor walk in their office and, and say, Hey, here’s what I would expect from you. So, you know, [00:31:00] we’re we’re, we’re MIA on the battlefield, you know, and so we’ve gotta get our churches engaged. And that starts again, uh, with just your local church and then your sphere of influence. You know, don’t, don’t get overwhelmed trying to bite off more than you can chew.

Jason Storms: Just start in your local community doing. Tangible things and then let your voice be heard with your, with your state representatives. They need to feel the pressure. They need to know that the pro-life base is not happy with what we’re seeing. We wanna see more substantive action. You know, uh, governor DeSanto said this beautifully.

Jason Storms: He spoke at the March for Life last year. Got to be there and hear him speak was really cool. And Washington, DC and he made a great point. He said, now is not the time to take our foot off the pedal. Now is the time to press forward. And he made a great point about leadership, that true leadership. They lead people.

Jason Storms: They don’t follow public opinion. They lead public opinion. And what I’ve noticed with Governor DeSantis is if public opinion is against him on an issue, let’s say 45, 55, what most politicians will do is they’ll say, I can’t support that publicly because you know, 55% of the people are against us. Well, what Governor DeSantis has done is they said, you know, [00:32:00] what if 55% of the people oppose us, and that tells me I need to get out and I need to change five to 10% of the population.

Jason Storms: I can do that because truth is on our side. And if I get out here and I articulate the issues and I pick the fight and I make the arguments, I’m gonna move people my direction and I can move the needle and I can change public opinion over the next weeks and months and we can win this fight. But what, what we’ve done so much when a lot of politicians to do is run away from the battlefield because

Group: mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: The polling numbers don’t look good. And so we wind up not even making the arguments and we don’t even persuade people and we lose tremendous opportunities to make, uh, huge gains culturally.

Vicky Cherry: And I think, you know, um, I think God is calling us to stand up at, at, at this time. You know, we’ve had some Yes.

Vicky Cherry: Huge, um, people of Faith pass away here in the last couple weeks. You know, DY Bachman. Yeah. Charlie Kirk. And it’s like, I don’t, I. People are wondering, I don’t know what God’s doing, but you know, we know he’s in control and so we just have to have faith. And we do need to make a stand. We [00:33:00] need to be clear.

Vicky Cherry: We need to not muddy the waters with, oh, well, you know, so many people believe in abortion. Well, is it the truth that it is not God’s will? Yes, it’s the truth. We need to speak truth. And I thank you, Jason, that you’re out there doing that all the time and bringing your family and training them up in the way they should go.

Bruce Cherry: Amen. It, you know, it’s, uh, it’s really something that, that hits Vicky and I, uh, on a daily basis that wow, you know, God chose us to be here at this time.

Vicky Cherry: For such a time as this,

Bruce Cherry: for such a time as this, for this fight.

Vicky Cherry: And Jason’s right, it is a battle. It’s a fight. It’s, it’s a war. And it’s,

Bruce Cherry: it’s really almost becoming a fist fight.

Bruce Cherry: I mean, seriously. You know? And in some cases, sadly, it, it is because, I mean, we talk to pro-life advocates, sidewalk counselors all the time that are dodging cars that, that try and run them over. People are spitting on them. Um, well just

Vicky Cherry: that lady that was punched in the face

Bruce Cherry: in New [00:34:00] York.

Vicky Cherry: They let the perpetrator off.

Vicky Cherry: I mean, I, it, I don’t understand that. Now had she defended

Bruce Cherry: herself, she would be the one in jail. Right. You know that and, and, because that’s. That’s the evil that is, that has infested that city. And, and you know, there was not that long ago that Vicky was, was saying to me, Hey, you know, I, we should go to New York and, and take in a show we should do.

Bruce Cherry: So I’m like, no, no. They don’t deserve our, our tourism dollars. They don’t deserve. And, and I don’t want to go anyplace where I can’t, where it’s against the law for me to defend myself. So, no, and, and you know, that’s, I’m getting off on a tangent there. Yes, you are. So I’m gonna go, you’re, I do wanna, I do wanna, uh, share something that, um.

Bruce Cherry: Jason, you reminded me about the, uh, you said last year the governor spoke at the March for Life. There is another March for Life coming up. It’s the March for the Pre-born and want everybody to save the date for this. It is going to be in Jacksonville and it’s gonna be Saturday, January the 17th, [00:35:00] the March for the pre-born.

Bruce Cherry: So. Save that date and, uh, visit priest for life, uh, dot com and also March for the preborn.org. I believe you can visit and get more information about that. Um, and we had, we plan to be there. Excellent. Yeah. And we had, uh, Frank Pavona on a couple of weeks ago and he was talking about that, and we’ll have him on again a couple of times before that date.

Bruce Cherry: But, uh, definitely save that date Saturday, January the 17th

Jason Storms: now. Amen. It’d be nice to have thousands of people marching there

Bruce Cherry: and we should, wouldn’t that be mm-hmm. Absolutely. We should. We should. And, uh, Vicky and I plan on being there. In fact, I think we’re gonna go and spend the weekend. So, you know, make, make a, make a, a trip out of it.

Bruce Cherry: Take the family. Um, now common objections that we run into when we’re, when we’re sidewalk counseling, give us some ammunition. How can we deal with that?

Jason Storms: Yeah, great question. You know, I think the, you know, the biggest thing of course is first that it’s not a baby, a blob of tissue. It’s an embryo. It’s a fetus, you know, and I think we disarmed that.

Jason Storms: We’re looking [00:36:00] at science. The next question is gonna be, you know, hey, this is a necessary evil. The children are being brought into the world. We’re not gonna be properly taken care of. Uh, so, you know, isn’t this a better alternative, uh, you know, than to bring kids into the world? And of course, our response is, you know, we don’t, we don’t have the right to play God, right?

Jason Storms: It’s not our decision. Um, you know, uh, if that logic holds right, then, you know, the solution to poverty Right. Would then just to be, to kill all the poor people.

Group: Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Jason Storms: I mean, if we said, Hey, you know what, poverty and crime is a problem. Uh, let’s round up all the poor people and kill ’em all, you know, then that’ll get rid of crime and poverty, right?

Jason Storms: Uh mm-hmm. Uh, no, that’s, that’s that, that’s genocide, right? So that wouldn’t be an acceptable solution. To poverty, we would say, no, we need to help people, uh, work hard support, give them a support system, give them the moral values, put tools and resources into their hands so they can come out of poverty and become productive and responsible people.

Jason Storms: And that’s, that’s the same message we would say to those contemplating, abortion. We wanna walk [00:37:00] alongside you and help you, whatever the situation is that you feel like you need to get an abortion. Understand that that killing a life is never the solution. Never can never, is killing a life an appropriate way to solve a problem.

Jason Storms: Right? And so. We wanna put tools and resources into the hands of, of these young mothers and fathers to let them know that there’s people that will come alongside them, give them the support that they need to bring a child into the world, that, that can have the love and the support that it needs. Uh, and so I think that’s the role that the church has always played in building the first orphanages and hospitals in the world, in establishing these, these, these ideas of, of, of human rights and dignity.

Jason Storms: You know, built in the idea of the Imago Day, the image of God. You know, that’s such an important pillar of Western civilization, that that has been eradicated and eroded over the last several decades, and we need to rebuild it. How good was it to, to see that memorial for Charlie Kirk, where we have so many of our leading Oh, that was officials in Washington DC proclaiming the, the, the Gospel of Christ [00:38:00] proclaiming the truth of Christianity and the need for biblical Christianity to prevail in our culture of society and our laws.

Jason Storms: And that that is exactly what needs to happen.

Vicky Cherry: Definitely gave me hope. I’m like, wow. It it, and you needed

Bruce Cherry: hope because after watching Congress argue for an hour or two over whether or not to observe a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk, mm-hmm. Um, it just, it opens your eyes to how evil. The other side is and how just That’s right.

Bruce Cherry: Deranged. They are. Hey, we’ve got another break coming up. We’ve got one more segment to go. Jason Storms, national Director of Operations Save America is with us. We’ll be right back with more Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night on AM nine 50 FM 94.9. The answer streaming on the answer orlando.com.

Bruce Cherry: And we’re back on a Sunday night Pro-Life Radio with Jason. Storms of Operation Save America in the studio is my lovely wife, Vicky Cherry. I’m [00:39:00] Bruce Cherry and we thank you for sticking around with us and, uh, being with us tonight. And Jason, thank you so much and, and I’m grateful he moved to Florida. I am too.

Bruce Cherry: I am too. But please give our regards to your lovely wife, Sarah, and to, uh, your, your family. And and we thank you for them. We thank them for, for giving us you for a little bit tonight for this show. So thank you much.

Group: Amen.

Bruce Cherry: And, uh, and thank you for what you’re doing. ’cause you’ve got a strong family and, and we talked about this.

Bruce Cherry: We need strong families to get this, this society back on track.

Jason Storms: Amen. Amen to that. Yeah. That, that’s what we strive for. And, and, and strong families are not perfect families, right? Mm-hmm. And so being able, being able to overcome hardship, trials, difficulties, temptations is all part of, uh, a part of raising family and, and holding marriages together.

Jason Storms: A marriage is under attack in our day, right? And so,

Group: mm-hmm. So many

Jason Storms: of the battles that we face that we’re talking about are downstream of the breakdown that takes place in the home. [00:40:00]

Vicky Cherry: And it’s probably been a concerted attack for a way back. You know, take the dads out, take the right, you know, hey, if you don’t, if you get married, it’s not working out.

Vicky Cherry: Just get a divorce. And we don’t talk about, right. Just like abortion, we don’t talk about all the side effects of a divorce either. Well, then you got two dads, two moms, two in-laws, and it’s, it’s a complicated mess.

Jason Storms: Yeah. And it’s hard on children, very hard on children. And, uh, and so, mm-hmm. Certainly Christ can redeem, you know, the worst of situations and we’re thankful for his redemption.

Jason Storms: I grew up in a very broken, dysfunctional home and, you know, I’m thankful that I got, I got to be the dad. I get to be the dad, you know, that I, that I always, you know, sort of wanted growing up.

Group: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: You know, my dad, we had limited communication and, and, but most of my life I didn’t, didn’t have much of a relationship with him.

Jason Storms: We reconnected at 19, when I was 19 years old, my dad led me to Christ, so that was a beautiful thing.

Group: Oh, that’s awesome.

Jason Storms: Yeah, really cool. And so, you know, we’ve had a great relationship since, but, um, you [00:41:00] know, getting the opportunity to, to, to fill that role for my kids, you know, such, such an important duty being a father.

Jason Storms: And we just need good men, good fathers that love their kids, love their families. Strong protectors, strong providers. Just strong, strong, good men. You know, we need a revitalization of that.

Vicky Cherry: I think that in the abortion movement, when you see, you know, that they get so mad at men when men are out there and it’s like you don’t have a womb, you can’t, you know?

Vicky Cherry: Yes. But it takes that dad to have that child. And we do. We need our men to stand standup, and

Jason Storms: That’s right. I like to say abortion is a man’s issue. People say it’s a woman’s issue. You’ve got no right to speak. And I say, actually this is a man’s issue, you know? What do you mean? Say, well, first of all, the Supreme Court was seven men that on the Supreme Court that gave us Roe versus Wade.

Group: Mm-hmm. There were

Jason Storms: 50, 50 male governors that then. Uh, changed their state laws and, and oversaw the implementation of roe. And of course, uh, [00:42:00] dozens and dozens and dozens of police chiefs all over major cities, all over the country that went from criminalizing abortion to now protecting abortion in their cities.

Jason Storms: All male police chiefs at that time. So it was, it was, abortion was foisted upon us by men. Right. Um, but. The role of protector falls primarily on the shoulders of men.

Group: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: Men, we have the duty to protect women and children. Mm-hmm. We have a duty to stand for the vulnerable and the weak. God endow us with physical strength above that of women for that very purpose.

Jason Storms: Not so we can domineer and Lord it over women, but so that we can protect. And that is such a crucial duty that must be upheld in society. Women are vulnerable, uh, in, in giving birth. They’re v vulnerable in carrying a baby. Women and women and children are vulnerable through the process. Bringing children into the world and men must be strong protectors.

Jason Storms: And, uh, not just physical strength, but strength of character, strength of heart, strength of virtue, and, uh, we, we need that desperately in America today.

Bruce Cherry: Very much so. And, [00:43:00] and for that reason, Vicky and I no longer watch commercial television. And, and the point, the point I’m trying to make is that in every ad.

Bruce Cherry: The man is now the, the rear end of a joke of some sort.

Jason Storms: Yep. He is a goober

Bruce Cherry: that doesn’t know what he’s doing. Mm-hmm. Doesn’t know what he’s doing. Uh, or the, and, and not that this is a bad thing because men, you know, we have responsibility to our home and marriage is a partnership. But in, in a lot of the ads now, the dad is the stay at home mom, so to speak, and mom’s out making the living.

Bruce Cherry: And if that’s the way the partnership works out, then that’s the way it works out. But it seems like they’re trying to. Really nullify the role that the man, that the, the role that God has ordained the man to play in the household, it’s, they’re trying to nullify. That’s one

Vicky Cherry: of the huge things that Charlie Kirk Yeah.

Vicky Cherry: Would always talk about. Yeah. The role of the man in the, in the home.

Bruce Cherry: Yeah. So, so absolutely. For that reason, we, we don’t watch, you know, commercial [00:44:00] TV anymore because all the situation comedies, the, the guy’s incompetent. He’s stupid. He’s, he’s, he’s an idiot. He’s, he’s not the man. And meanwhile, we,

Jason Storms: we. If he is sharp and if he is intelligent and he is the hero, then he, he has usually pretty poor character.

Jason Storms: Yeah. Not, not a role model.

Bruce Cherry: Exactly. He’s, he’s a beer guzzling, you know, slob or, or womanizer or something of that nature. Yeah, exactly. Yep. And, uh, and, and they do everything they can to make masculinity seem toxic. And that’s, yeah, that’s not the way it’s supposed to be.

Jason Storms: No, but it, it is toxic to the enemy.

Bruce Cherry: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: Toxic to those that wanna destroy America. It’s toxic to those that wanna indulge in sin because, uh, you know, strong men who build strong families are the greatest protection and the greatest, uh, buttress against those who want to exploit children and women in, in, in harm our nation.

Vicky Cherry: Absolutely.

Vicky Cherry: And a lot of the abortions are men, you know, men that have [00:45:00] brought their. Women down there to get an abortion and they say if a woman, if the man stands up and says, Hey, I’ll take care of you, I’ll take care of our child. They want to keep that baby. Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: Yeah. I think it’s upwards of 60 or seven 70% of women would, would keep their baby if the man.

Jason Storms: Was willing and wanting and was there. Yep. Mm-hmm. And that was my experience. I had a girlfriend that had abortion in high school, and she, we both actually identified as pro-life, oddly enough, even though I wasn’t a Christian. Mm-hmm. And no, no question that she would’ve kept the baby had I stepped up and stood by her side.

Jason Storms: But I abandoned her in that time and told her, do what she wants to do, and she went through with it and it, it devastated her life and we lost our child. Hmm.

Bruce Cherry: I had a, uh, a recent conversation with my youngest son. Uh, Joshua, uh, who lives in Ohio and he has a girlfriend and, and they’re, they’re preparing to come for a visit and, uh, and he’s, he’s told me on countless occasions that he doesn’t believe like I do.

Bruce Cherry: He’s not, he’s not a [00:46:00] Christian, even though he was raised in a Christian household. And I recently, and I’m not one of these guys that believes dreams. Or, you know, something that can come to fruition or anything. But I had such an interesting experience a few nights ago, uh, that it was like God was talking to me and introducing me to my future grandson, and his name was Joshua and he looked like my son.

Bruce Cherry: And so, um, I take that as being okay. I should have another conversation with my son to make sure that, you know, first off is, are you coming to visit because you have something to tell me or, you know, what’s going on here? And that, so it, it opened the door for the conversation about, Hey, if you find yourself in this position, even though you know my stance on this, you shouldn’t lay with a woman until you’re, you’re married and you should practice abstinence.

Bruce Cherry: He’s 25 years old. He’s been out on his own for a while, and, and I know that he’s not abstinent. I know he’s not a celibate. And so he said to [00:47:00] me, dad, he goes, it’s her body. It’s her choice. And I’m like, first off, is your girlfriend pregnant? No, not that I know of. Uh, okay. That, that made me feel comfortable.

Bruce Cherry: Not, uh, I said, uh, I said, well, it’s not. Just her choice. It’s not just her body. There’s a baby there. And I urge you, I’m begging you don’t go down the road that I went down when I wasn’t man enough to do what I should have done. You’re better than that and I don’t want you to feel that pain the rest of your life, and I don’t want you to have to ask for forgiveness from God for that and just ’cause it.

Bruce Cherry: It still, you get that forgiveness, but it still hurts. Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: And you know, I don’t know if you know who Greg Mayo is, Jason, but he wrote the Almost Daddy Uhhuh and it’s like, it is emotional on the men too. Mm-hmm. And we don’t think as a society that it’s not, or it should be and it’s your child. Mm-hmm.

Vicky Cherry: And like you said earlier, Jason, men are designed to be protectors of their families.

Bruce Cherry: That’s [00:48:00] it. Amen. That’s that, that’s one of the roles that God picked for us.

Vicky Cherry: And so it does mess up their, um, emotions and their mind and their future. So, so we have about two and a half minutes left. Jason, what do you want everybody to know in the next two and a half minutes?

Jason Storms: Well, I would say, uh, you know, segueing into what you just said, we have a conference coming up in Greenville, South Carolina. So if anybody wants to make the trip up to Greenville, South Carolina. Join us for our conference. October 7th to the 11th, we’re gonna be the Operation State of America. Our national conference we did in Orlando last year, it’s in Greenville, South Carolina.

Jason Storms: This year we’re gonna be having, uh, activism on the streets. We’re gonna be door knocking for candidates, solid candidates. We’re gonna be going to universities, clumsy University, doing outreach and a discussion, debate, evangelism. We’re gonna be at the Notorious Greenville Abortion Clinic, trying to get that clinic shut down.

Jason Storms: Greenville, South Carolina has, has a. Very dark abortion clinic that, that Lord will, we will see close. Um, and, and South Carolina is very similar [00:49:00] to what Florida is. They have a heartbeat bill and mm-hmm. That means the abortion clinics are wide open. Right. And, and South Carolina. Mm-hmm. Probably a more, a more red state than Florida.

Jason Storms: And yet they still haven’t passed life except, so we have a bill in the legislature. In the house, we have a equal protection bill, and then there’s a slightly modified version of that in the, in the, in the Senate that has a committee hearing October 1st that we wanna push people to. So, um, you know, one of the things this bill does that we want model legislation, similar model legislation here in Florida is, like I said, it’s equal protection.

Jason Storms: And as I mentioned, you know, about, uh, about my past abortions, Bruce, you know, your past abortions. Uh, one of the things that I would emphasize is, you know, me and my girlfriend would not have gotten an abortion. If abortion or criminal.

Group: Mm.

Jason Storms: That would’ve pre matured us. If her and I could have faced legal penalty

Group: mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: For getting an abortion, she wouldn’t have done it. I would not have done it. It was so easy because there was no fear of any penalty. And so our laws hold everybody equally [00:50:00] accountable. This is a part of what we need here. Legislatively. We need to have laws that actually have a proper penalty, a proper deterrent.

Jason Storms: Bad behavior. So we, you know, one of the things that we see with the pro-life movement across the country, we have 14 states that have passed life and conception bills. They’ve shut the abortion clinics down in their states, 14 states, and that’s great, but every single one of them, they exempt mothers

Group: from

Jason Storms: prosecution.

Jason Storms: So in no way, shape or form could a mother ever be prosecuted. That means a female abortion doctor in say, Texas or Louisiana or Oklahoma. A female abortion doctor could perform an abortion on herself with legal impunity. If she did it to another woman, she could go to jail, but if she does it to herself, she’s legally immune from prosecution.

Jason Storms: Because the pro-life, uh, some pro-life groups have been making the argument that women are victims and don’t know what they’re doing. Therefore, we cannot hold them legally accountable for getting abortions. And we think this is very wrongheaded that, that, that, yes, there are women who are victims who are lied to [00:51:00] and they certainly should be granted legal.

Jason Storms: Leniency. Mm-hmm. And mercy in, in a court of law. But there are a whole lot of women who know full well what they’re doing.

Group: Mm-hmm.

Jason Storms: You know, they’re making TikTok videos, Ugh. With their babies’. Bodies remain

Group: celebrated. Oh my goodness. Oh my

Jason Storms: goodness. Uh, shout, you know, hashtag shout Your abortion was popular.

Group: Women are doing

Jason Storms: chemical at home abortions now. So abortion clinics are not, this the, the, the primary place where abortions are taking place. Mm-hmm. We wanna shut these abortion clinics down, but we have a chemical abortion epidemic of. At home, self-managed abortion pills.

Group: Mm-hmm. Where

Jason Storms: mothers are getting these pills, they can get them sent right to their home.

Group: Yeah.

Jason Storms: Yeah. Kill their babies. And that’s legal in every single state in America, and that is just horrible. We need to close these loopholes. We need to have. Full equal protection.

Group: Gotcha.

Jason Storms: That means that anybody involved in an abortion should be held not criminally liable. So that deters the behavior.

Jason Storms: Right. Okay. And, and educates the culture. And so that’s what we’re shooting for.

Bruce Cherry: Alright. Amen. Alright, [00:52:00] Jason, thank you. We have run out of time. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you for Thank you all you do. And I wanna remind everybody, uh, their Greenville conference. Uh, operation Save America October 7th through the 11th.

Bruce Cherry: Go online to operation save america.org to get more information and to register for that, save that date. Alright, thank you much, sir. God bless. Uh, you and the family. Thank you. And we look forward to talking to you again in the near future. And, uh. Take care. Stay at it for my lovely wife, Vicky Cherry. I’m Bruce Cherry for our producer, Pete Piquette in the studio.

Bruce Cherry: Thank you for joining us tonight for Pro-Life Radio. We’ll be back next week with another show on AM nine 50 FM 94.9, the answer streaming on the answer orlando.com night.