Prolife and Politics Discussion with Larry Brumback of Salt & Light Council

Summary of Key Topics, Insights, and Conclusion/Decision

Key Topics

Overview of the Salt and Light Council and its focus on biblical citizenship

Upcoming legislative session in Florida and efforts to restrict or expand abortion access

Importance of staying informed and engaged in the political process as pro-life citizens

Worldwide and U.S. abortion statistics and their impact on women’s health

Upcoming pro-life events and opportunities to get involved in Florida

Concerning legislation in California and other states that could enable infanticide

Insights and Takeaways

The pro-life movement faces ongoing challenges in the Florida legislature, with efforts to both restrict and expand abortion access.

It is crucial for pro-life citizens to stay informed about legislative developments, communicate with representatives, and participate actively in the political process.

Abortion has devastating global impacts, with an estimated 73 million induced abortions annually and significant health risks for women.

Pro-life organizations like the Salt and Light Council provide valuable resources and opportunities for engagement at the local church and community level.

Concerning legislation in some states, such as California’s recent bill, highlights the need for vigilance and action to protect the sanctity of life.

Conclusion and Decision

The discussion underscores the vital importance of the pro-life movement and the responsibility of Christians to be engaged citizens, informed voters, and advocates for the unborn. The guests emphasize the need to stay abreast of legislative developments, participate in pro-life events and organizations, and communicate directly with representatives to ensure that the pro-life agenda is upheld. The alarming global and national statistics on abortion further reinforce the urgency of this cause. Ultimately, the conclusion is that pro-life citizens must remain steadfast in their commitment to protecting the sanctity of life and continue to work tirelessly to end the scourge of abortion.

[ 00:00:00,000 ]Thank you. Preserving the sanctity of life in Florida. A loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio with your hosts, Vicki and Bruce Cherry. And welcome again to another edition of Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night in January. You gotta love January in Florida, don’t you? Ah, yes. Hey, Bruce Cherry in the studio with my lovely wife, Vicki Cherry. We’re coming to you from the John Barrows Memorial Studio here at Salem, Orlando. And we have a great… guest with us tonight, Larry Brumback. Larry is a longtime friend of ours. He is a leader in our church at Liberty Church, and he is the director for the Salt and Light Council for Liberty Church, and pretty much all over most of Central Florida. But before we get to Larry…

[ 00:00:48,650 ]We start everything with Jeremiah 1:5 and prayer. Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born. I sanctified you. I ordained you a prophet to the nations. Dear and most gracious Heavenly Father, thank you for another opportunity for us to come to you and to come before the people of this land on this radio show and to share truth and to work diligently to change hearts and minds, to educate and to save the unborn. God, please bless us with discernment over what we’re about to hear. Let us have the correct words to share with folks. And God, just please be with us tonight. Be with our guest, Larry, and let us be fruitful in saving babies. We thank you for our producer, Dave.

[ 00:01:36,130 ]We thank you for this studio. We thank you for the work that the late, great John Barrows did. And we strive to imitate that work in what we do. And God, we just ask for your blessing upon us. Fill us with your Holy Spirit. And bless this evening and this time. In Jesus’ name we pray, amen. Amen. All right, so Larry, thank you for being here. We appreciate it. Well, thank you, sir. Bruce and Vicki, I appreciate being here and having an opportunity to be able to tell people about the important things that I… that I tell people about that promotes the will of God. Yeah. So… And Larry’s also on our pro-life committee. Yes, he is. Yes. So in all transparency, yes, Larry is in the house with us.

[ 00:02:24,170 ]He’s in the club, so to speak. Larry, tell us, what is, for a lot of people out there may not know what the Salt and Light Council is. So really briefly, if you could share with us what that’s about. Well, Salt and Light Council is a national organization, and it’s centered in California. And our key word is biblical citizenship. And that pretty much surrounds, describes what we do. We promote things that encourage people to act as good citizens in accordance with the Word of God. Okay. Amen. Okay. And it is an organization that has… subsidiary organizations within individual churches. And fortunately, I was chosen to be the director of Salt and Light Council in our church, Liberty Church, Orlando. So I’m very glad to be able to do this.

[ 00:03:21,160 ]Well, we thank you for what you do. Larry is always there at Liberty Church in the back of the church, with a booth set up with all kinds of information and handouts. And I always see people back there at the back of the church grabbing that information because there’s a lot of information there. Now, you’ve got some info on the upcoming legislative session. How does that relate to what we do with the pro-life movement? What’s going on at the legislative session? Well, there’s lots of efforts going, lots of things going on there that I think Floridians need to be conscious of. And pro-life efforts— or anti-abortion efforts— are also on their agenda. So the next session for the Florida legislature begins on next Tuesday, January the 13th.

[ 00:04:13,610 ]And they’re going to continue with the things that they worked on in 2025. Um, but, um, they’re going to deal with some things like mandating proof of U. S. citizenship for new voters, stricter firearms storage in vehicles, faster medical refunds, a public animal cruelty database, and potential tax cuts for hurricane supplies. And lawmakers voting on voting integrity, public safety, and financial relief. And also, though… of course, we have a… abortion protection law in Florida. Yes, it’s a pretty good one. Right. That restricts abortion to… six weeks. Not after six weeks. And it has been very successful in reducing the number of abortions in Florida and also reducing the number of people that come from outside of Florida to get abortions. But it has been challenged in the Florida legislature.

[ 00:05:27,390 ]And so there are efforts underway by some representatives to try to change this law. Because we know that they’re not going to try to do an amendment because they can’t a lot of time. And yes, and a lot of effort. And then we’ve changed the rules here in Florida. And so it’s not so easy to cheat on those ballots. And actually, this ban was a result of Amendment 4 failing. So it’s a good thing, and we need to make sure that it continues to stay in effect. Um, please tell me that the people who are opposing the six-week ban are not. Please tell me, not one of them, is a Republican. I would like to be able to say that, but I don’t really know that right now.

[ 00:06:17,420 ]One of the things that the research, I’m starting to do more research, is that I need to identify representatives and what they stand for in the legislature. So I want to encourage listeners to do the same thing. You know, I did just hear… that James Fishback has announced that if he gets in as governor… He will totally shut down every abortion clinic in Florida. That’s awesome. Now, that’s a name that you have not heard in the race. We know Byron Donald’s running. We know he’s running. We know that our lieutenant governor is running. There’s like 30. Well, on the Democratic side, there’s a ton of folks running. But Fishback, as a Republican, I’ve never heard that name before. So. Interesting. Okay.

[ 00:07:11,590 ]So, um, The Florida House bills on abortion, they focus either on restricting access further— abortion access further— or attempting to repeal existing bans. So, I mean, you’ve got both sides working against each other in the legislature. And there’s a recent effort, including House Bill 663, that allows civil lawsuits against those that aid in illegal abortions. And, um, Past attempts like House Bill 1139 were to repeal the six-week ban. And these efforts are still going on. Oh, yeah. So we need to stay informed as to what measures are being considered that will allow more abortions to be legal. And we need to be prepared to communicate directly with our legislature members and Governor DeSantis while he’s still governor. So we need to realize that we can communicate with these legislatures, either by email, by letter, by postcard, by telephone call.

[ 00:08:23,760 ]Give them our position on these things. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Absolutely. So I just want to continue to encourage people to stay abreast of what’s going on in our legislature in Florida. I mean, sometimes… Sometimes we, maybe we hear a few things on the news or something, but we need to actively inform ourselves about what’s going on in the legislature so we can take appropriate action. And there may be some people listening to this show right now that aren’t really strong in the pro-life thing. They believe they’re pro-life, but they’re not doing anything. So, whether you’re strong in pro-life, whether you’re involved in politics or not, you should know what’s going on in the legislature. Because the only way… that you have a voice is by voting and by knowing what’s going on.

[ 00:09:18,780 ]And if you don’t know what’s going on, then you’re not an informed voter and you could be voting wrong. So it’s good to know what the bills are that the legislature is looking at, what they’re talking about, and what might get passed. Especially if you’re a property owner. I mean, there’s protesting, too. There is protesting, too. But, yeah, if you’re a property owner and they’re sitting there changing rules and making bills and things that are going to cost you, you more money and you didn’t know about it, shame on you. And people a lot of times don’t understand or think about the fact that our politics change our lives. So for the good or for the bad. And we have a say in the United States of America and we should take that as something sacred and pay attention.

[ 00:10:05,620 ]And that’s part of what the Salt and Light Council is about. Being a good biblical citizen means being a good citizen and being a good steward of the gifts that God has given us in this country and our community. are some of those gifts and applying biblical principles to the decisions that you make and how you vote. Yeah. Things of that nature. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, you shouldn’t just vote because you like their name or because they’re a woman or because they’re a man. Or black or white. Yeah, exactly. Or because the color of their skin or because they might be of Latin descent, what have you. So, yeah, vote character, content of character. And I’m pretty sure that my conversation has made people think, well, how do I stay abreast of these things that are going on in the legislature?

[ 00:10:50,290 ]Well, you can search the Internet. On your own and they’re there you can read about them but even on the internet you have to be careful who your search engine is too because it will take you to fake or false information. Times oh yes be very careful all right we’ve got a break coming up we’ll be right back with more we have larry brum back in the studio with the salt and light council from liberty church orlando and we will tell you how to help keep this radio ministry on the air we appreciate your help in 2026 going into our third year thank you amen. Coming to you from the john barrow studio. We’re on am 950, fm 94. 9, the answer. It’s pro-life radio.

[ 00:11:29,960 ]If you’re pro-life, like this show, and want to support this mission, please help with your donation today. Go online to givesendgo. com. or make your checkout to mission save america, inc. and mail it to 13900 road 455, unit 107-334, claremont, florida 34711. Pro-Life Radio is a non-profit entity and all donations are tax-deductible. Thank you. And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicki Cherry. Across from me is my very handsome husband, Bruce. I still pay her to say that. Every week. Across from me is Larry Brumbach, a good friend of ours from church. We go to Liberty Church, and he is the salt and light director for our church. If you don’t know what salt and light is, you need to find out, but it’s a great program.

[ 00:12:25,670 ]It’s about biblical citizenship, and Larry is a great director of that. Larry, we thank you so much for being on with us tonight. Well, I appreciate being here. Thank you. And if people want to know more about this ministry, they can go to saltonlightcouncil. org. And we do a whole number of things. Pro-life is one of our big efforts, of course. Oh. Managing how our children are treated in the public schools. We work very closely with an organization called Public School Exit. So there’s lots of things that we do to carry out God’s will. And our in the relationships we have with people. Everything we do. And that’s why our key word is biblical citizenship. All right. All right, Larry, go ahead and share with us.

[ 00:13:22,020 ]We talked during the break of things that you wanted to share, and I know you wanted to talk about the 2026 election. Can you believe it is 2026? Oh, yes. It may be early because our election is not until November 3rd, but… As the year progresses, we need to stay abreast of who’s running for office. And so we can research them. Research their history of how they’ve been voting if they’re running again. Absolutely. So we know what their thoughts are and how they’re probably going to perform if they take office. So this and this year is a year of midterm elections. So that term is used to describe the halfway point. presidential elections. So it is very important that we protect our interest by knowing and voting for candidates that maintain and promote the issues that are important to us.

[ 00:14:23,170 ]And because, if the U. S. House of Representatives and the Senate change, and we, and… And we lose control. I was going to use that word. I’m going to pray against that. Two things about the midterm scare me. I shouldn’t say scare me. Concern me. One is the fact that we’re at the halfway point of Donald Trump’s final presidency. Unless he can figure something out. Well… I don’t know that that’s the way it should go. I don’t, even though I think he was cheated out of. Out of his presidency before, but I don’t think that’s the way that should go. I mean, I think we should stick, because if we open that door, it’s open for good. So, um, I know we need a strong, strong leader to follow him.

[ 00:15:14,870 ]To keep this country on the path it’s on. We desperately need that. The other thing that concerns me is. Some of the supposed conservative Christians that have been elected in, are either stepping away from their duties or have proven not to be as conservative. In the last few weeks, we’re seeing that. Yeah. And so it’s a lot of Republicans voting for things they should not should not be voting for. It’s very concerning. So I’m sorry, Larry, I jumped in there. Sorry about that. Oh, no problem. Thank you. But also, I’ll continue. I want to encourage everyone to please stay informed about the schedule of your state by going regularly to the Priests for Life website, stateelectioncalendar. org. And because I’m hoping there are some people listening that are outside of Florida as well.

[ 00:16:10,380 ]And then they have another website called ProLifeVote. com that will keep you informed about what’s going on in elections. Now, as pro-life Americans, we have both the privilege and the responsibility to participate in this election process and ensuring that our voices are heard and our values are represented. And this is a big effort in 2026. For instance, there’s 33 U. S. Senate seats that are going to be voted on. And there are several hundred seats in the House of Representatives that are up for grabs. So these races will determine the balance of power in Congress. And that’s very important because we want… to be assured that the things that are God wants us to pursue, continue, and that his will is considered by our legislators. Okay. Now…

[ 00:17:15,480 ]So while President Trump’s name is not on the ballot, his agenda, and that is our agenda. It is on the ballot because we’re going to be electing new senators and representatives. Now, many of those senators and representatives that are leaving office are pro-lifers. Mmm. So we need to make sure that we replace them with pro-lifers. I know. Okay. We must work to elect pro-lifers to all these seats. Mm-hmm. So, um, Larry’s got his notes. That’s what you. I know. You know, I have to share a little tidbit for our listeners. Larry’s wife, Lynn, who we absolutely adore and love. She said Larry was very much studying for his interview with Pro-Life Radio. So he came in. He has very good notes. I’m very proud of him. He’s such a good friend, and we love him.

[ 00:18:17,160 ]Well, actually, and you say I’m checking my notes. The notes I’m looking at right now have come from the Priests for Life newsletter. If people want to subscribe to that, that’s… Frank Pavone is a good friend of Pro-Life Radio. That’s a good source of information. Yes. Okay. So… Voters in 36 states will be casting votes for governor. Yeah. And of course, we will be doing that, too. As we were talking a little while ago, we’ve got a plethora of candidates running. Fortunately for the Republican side, I think. I think we’ve got good candidates all the way around, at least the ones we know of. Jay Collins, the lieutenant governor, seems like a good, solid candidate. Paul Rand. Solid pro-life candidate. And of course, our good friend, Byron Donald.

[ 00:19:07,840 ]Good, solid Christian pro-lifer. Very, very pro-family. Now, I’m really impressed by the statement made by James Fishback. And although I’ve not heard that name before either, I am… you know, That’s a bold statement to make in this day and age. And to say that he will. absolutely get rid of all Planned Parenthood in the state of Florida. We have more abortion clinics. Did you say Planned Parenthood? Abortion clinics. Okay. He said, ‘We have in Florida more abortion clinics than anywhere else.’ And we’re a pro-life state. In the country. That’s crazy. Yeah. Now, granted, a lot of those will probably fold because of the abortion bill. Mm-hmm. Oh, well, a lot of them have closed down because of the abortion pill. But there’s still two. If there’s one here, that’s one too many.

[ 00:19:59,350 ]Right. I mean, just the way it is. And then another thing that no one is taking into account. Many of the hospitals here in Central Florida and all over Florida also perform abortions. They’re not counting those as abortion clinics. But they do. And the reason I know. is that one of those hospitals is where my ex-wife had our second abortion. Yeah. Thank you. So I know that for a fact. We had a great guest on a couple weeks ago, a former abortionist. You know, I was… For whatever reason, the spirit just overtook me, and I couldn’t stop crying. But she talked about what happens in abortion. And, you know, she graphically described it. And when I think of my own kids and all these other babies— that are being torn apart, their skulls broken.

[ 00:21:00,370 ]Uh. You know, killed to use and be used for organ donation for one, but for a lot of other things. It’s like… They are. The innocent of the innocents. And they’re killed in a most heinous way. I mean, she described a partial birth abortion. And it was, I couldn’t— I almost had to leave the studio. It was… They turn the baby around, pull the baby down the birth canal. So they can reach his head. They put a clamp around his neck. And then shove a needle right through the base of his skull, into the brain. And you think about, you know, it becomes so… Yeah, you know, for them, the doctors, I believe, but… When you look at a baby, yours, and you feel that love and that just happiness to have that child, they’re a blessing from God.

[ 00:21:55,960 ]And you think of somebody, anybody, especially the mother. allowing that and making the appointment. It’s just— it hurts my heart. Go ahead, Larry. Okay, well, that’s a great question. Great comments. Thank you. And some of those pro-abortion governors are subject to term limits and will have to leave office. And in fact, they’re… There are 18 states that are now led by Democrats and 18 that are now led by pro-life Republicans. And they’ll all be replaced in January of 27. So, um… We need to make sure that our voter registration is up to date, that you can go to yourvoterregistration . com and check that. And you can make sure our young people who will be 18 by Election Day are registered, and they can register before they’re 18.

[ 00:22:56,500 ]They just have to be 18. by the time they vote. I know the last few years I’ve worked at the polls and the election polls, and it is so neat to have those parents come. With their new 18-year-old voter. Oh, I’m so glad you mentioned that because if a person would like to join election volunteers, they can go to Pro-Life Volunteers. volunteer . com and and sign up oh very fantastic all right it’s time for another break and man the time flies by so let’s get back to it really quickly here it is Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. Larry Brumback with the Salt and Light Council for Liberty Church Orlando is in the studio with us. We’re coming to you from the John Barrows Memorial Studio. Vicki Cherry, I’m Bruce Cherry, and we’ll be right back with more Pro-Life Radio on AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer. If you’re pro-life, like this show, and want to support this mission, please help with your donation today. Go online to givesendgo. com. or make your checkout to Mission Save America, Inc. and mail it to 13900 County Road.

[ 00:24:13,389 ]Pro-Life Radio is a non-profit entity and all donations are tax deductible. Thank you. And welcome back to more Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. Coming to you from the John Barrows Memorial Studio. Vicki Cherry, across from me, my lovely wife. She does not pay me to say that. It’s just true. And our good friend, Larry Brumback, who is the director for the Salt and Light Council. I say for Liberty Church, Orlando, but Larry is everywhere— all over central Florida. I see him at everything. He’s always doing reports on everything. And he always has a pro-life table, which is just amazing. Yes, he does. So God bless you for what you’re doing. And he just sneaks right in there. Yeah, yeah. It’s like, boom, Larry’s got a table up, you know.

[ 00:24:59,240 ]That we’ve arrived at places where there’s a pro-life radio banner and we didn’t even know it was going to be there. And it’s like, oh, I set this up. Hey, go right ahead. So, Larry, we were talking and you’ve got some stats about abortion, not just here in Florida. But around the world. Right. And I would back up just a few seconds. I thank you for your appreciation. And I’d get some very positive response from the displays I set up and giving people information. So it is a good ministry. And if anyone would like to have this ministry in their church, please contact us at saltandlightcouncil. org. You can get some online training over the… Um, the internet and on a Zoom call, and your pastor doesn’t have to do any work.

[ 00:25:54,480 ]A director like myself gets assigned the responsibility, and you just have to inform the pastor what you want to do and get his approval, but he doesn’t have to do any work. You know what I think is really great about it? I know Larry sets up his table and he actually even has postcards and stamps so you can write. And it says. Right. And say thank you for this or ask them to please watch how they vote or, you know, so it a lot of the work is already done for you. You just have to write that little note and they provide the note, the postcard and the stamp. It’s pretty great. And that’s actually a function that is encouraged through our monthly newsletter.

[ 00:26:33,470 ]And Salt and Light Council has a national newsletter, but they also have some that are… designed to support activities in several of the states, and Florida is one of those. So we get a newsletter with articles in it that are tailored to what is going on in Florida. And if I could, pastors love it when they have things in their church and they don’t have to do any extra work for it. So just share that. A ministry like this, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay, well, you know, let’s begin by looking at abortion statistics worldwide and in the United States and in Florida so that we realize how important it is to continue to fight to save the lives of the unborn. You know, and of course, all three of us know that.

[ 00:27:26,160 ]That’s why we’re here. But globally, around 73 million induced abortions occur annually. 73 million babies are killed. And with about 61% stemming from unintended pregnancies. And, um, though rates and causes vary significantly by region and income level, but developed nations see lower rates and numbers. while developing countries like in Asia and Africa and Latin America have higher volumes. And this is… bad, the World Health Organization promotes abortion. Of course. And so, you know, people try to say that we have too many people, but that’s not the case. We’re actually losing. More than we’re gaining. Mm-hmm. And so our prayers have to be not only for our neighborhood, but for the world. Yeah. That abortions can cease. All right. You know, a lot of people don’t think they have a voice or a platform, but everybody has a circle.

[ 00:28:41,940 ]Everybody has a circle of influence. It might be small, but there is that circle. Your friends, your church, your family. Yep. And this one was… 39 of every 1,000 women that are reproductive age have abortions. Either. 39 out of 1,000? Out of 1,000 of reproductive age. Now, I didn’t say that they’re already carrying a child, just that they’re of reproductive age. Um, That’s a lot. Now, and there are 121 million unintended pregnancies every year. Women that get pregnant that don’t intend to. How many? 121 million. There is a cure. And it’s not abortion. So we need to preach the Bible, too. Amen, Larry. But 61% of them end in abortion. Yeah. Okay. And like I mentioned, developed regions, the abortion rates have fallen significantly. But in developing regions, higher rates with most of the world’s abortions occur in undeveloped and developing regions due to limited contraception. So that’s back to these unintended pregnancies. Okay. So…

[ 00:30:26,380 ]That just… 131 million accidental, I hate to say accidental, but… Unintended. Unintended pregnancies. 131 million, oops. You know. I guess the encouraging side of that is that only 61% of those, even though that’s a large number, result in abortion. But I’d love to see that number whittled down to a zero. Hmm. That people protect and… know that life is. If you don’t have life. You’re dead. You don’t have life here. You got nothing. And life is sacred. That’s what this show is about. All life matters. All life is sacred. And for us, as a people, to go, oh well. You know, I fooled around. I got pregnant. I didn’t intend to. It’s not the right time to have a baby. I’m working on my career. I can’t afford a child.

[ 00:31:24,680 ]Who would bring a child into this world? Well, obviously you would because you didn’t. Take the precautions not to. You know, and, and so I just. You know, people have got to take responsibility. And what kind of person, and I can say this because I’ve been that type of person. How bad is it that you make an innocent unborn child? pay for your and discretions. I know. You know, a couple of weeks ago when the abortionist, former abortionist was on. I just, she… She talked about how she was doing both. She was helping people. You know, having their babies and being there for them. Then on the other hand, she was helping people kill their babies. And she said it was, it’s, what do you call that? Oxymoron?

[ 00:32:22,020 ]I don’t know what it would be called. She was just, she was detached. She was detached because. But that was one of the things that kind of started to show in her life that she needed to make a change. She was detached because that was something that they had taught her in medical school, was how to compartmentalize her life and just to kind of be detached from everything. Sometimes health and medical treatment was her explanation. But we’re very thankful that we had her on. That was Dr. Kathy Altman. Yeah, she was very good. All right, Larry. Well, as I mentioned before, 73 million induced abortions take place each year in the world. And that’s 6 out of 10 of all unintended pregnancies end in abortion. And 3 out of 10 of all pregnancies…

[ 00:33:12,570 ]Of all pregnancies, total. in abortion. So my point is these abortion figures are very high. worldwide. And like I said before, abortion is being promoted worldwide by the World Health Organization. But one thing to note is around 45% of all abortions prove to be unsafe. Unsafe abortion is an important preventable cause of maternal deaths. So women actually, many women actually die. You know, and we talk about everyone’s so worried that if abortion is outlawed, there’ll be backstreet abortion. There already is. They’re legal, but they are still backstreet abortions. Yep. And we know that women who have abortions have higher risks of ovarian and cervical cancer. higher risks of breast cancer, higher instances, I should say, higher alcoholism and drug abuse. Suicide, depression. And that was another thing that Dr.

[ 00:34:21,080 ]Kathy Altman talked about. And she was saying, her patients that chose to keep their babies, even if they didn’t. If there was unintended, had healthier lives, they were doing well. They were happy. The ones that had abortions were not. Were miserable. Yeah. On the most part. And I can tell you unequivocally, I’ve not spoken to, but I know people who have, my X, Y. She is not healthy. Mm-hmm. Mentally, she’s not healthy. Unhappy. And the abortion could have played a big part of that. And a lot of people don’t understand. For men, too. We’ve had several men on throughout our couple last years. If it weren’t for my faith, I can tell you I’d be right there. I could see myself being very depressed, feeling very guilty. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[ 00:35:19,520 ]Well, I’m going to mention one more thing about… the complications to a woman on an abortion. Maternal deaths due to unsafe abortion. In fact, 8% of maternal deaths are linked to abortion. Mm-hmm. And… the the death rate of women that have abortions is high. Mm-hmm. Um, and particularly in nations with developing countries. Seven million women per year were treated in hospital facilities for complications of unsafe abortion. Hmm. And we hear the stories about that. Women who are sent home that are still bleeding and they hemorrhage. People on that talked about that. Talked about that. Yeah. Hey, we are up against another break. We’ll be right back with our fourth and final segment of the night and details on how you can help keep this ministry on the air.

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[ 00:37:12,580 ]Thank you. And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicki Cherry. Across from me is my handsome husband, Bruce. Hello. Hello. And across from me also is… Larry Brumbach. He is the director of Salt and Light for our church, Liberty Church in Orlando. And Larry, we thank you so much for coming on tonight. So we have just one more segment left. So what is it that you want to share with our listeners? Well, I wanted to tell Floridians about some events that are coming up very soon in Florida that are pro-life events. And I think that’s something that we all need to be aware of and participate in. Um, So the first one I want to mention is an annual Mass for Life that is in Orlando on January 23rd.

[ 00:38:04,890 ]And these that I’m mentioning, you can research them online. I don’t have the particular websites for each one, but you can search for pro-life events on the web. And, um, 40 Days for Life, that’s coming up as well. I don’t have a date for that one yet, but… But it’s one that you can look up. We will work to find out more about that and get it on the Pro-Life Radio, pro-liferadio. com website. There’s a West Palm Beach campaign that’s in 40 days. It’s 40 days for life. Okay. And they’ll be promoting Respect for Life and Prayer for the Sanctity of Life, and that’ll be held on Friday, January the 23rd. Okay. So come pray with us on that. Promote the sanctity of life. Okay. Um, Now, Larry, earlier you were talking.

[ 00:39:16,860 ]You brought something up during the break. California has a bill. That is being billed by pro-lifers. Of course, the pro-choice crowd says it’s reproductive rights or it’s women’s health or what have you, but we know it for what it is. It’s infanticide. Can you tell us a little bit about that? A little bit, yes. And people can do their own analysis and look. You have to be careful, though, when you look online because… it’s defended online but the confusion comes from the original wording of bill that included the word ‘perinatal.’ Which refers to the time from child’s conception up to a year after the child’s birth. And what it did was it kept anyone involved in the death of that baby that survived abortion from being prosecuted.

[ 00:40:20,850 ]So the bill was amended to clarify that the protection from criminal or civil liability applies to a prenatal death due to causes that have occurred in the womb. So that was essentially giving… the mother permission to let the child die or or or maybe If the child dies, even if it’s getting medical attention, that there’s no… There’s no persecution. Prosecution. That will be… uh sustained so um Utero refers to the uterus. So that’s the womb. So the bill’s final intent. Um, specifies that legal protections are for deaths related to pregnancy outcomes, such as miscarriage, stillbirth, and abortion, due to causes that occur in the utero in the womb. And it does not criminalize the killing of an infant after birth. Now, the original word that was in there was prenatal.

[ 00:41:31,980 ]And that is, uh… during pregnancy. Um, But at any rate, there’s the… Thank you. This essentially… Uh, can allow, not necessarily every time, I’m not saying that, but it can allow a mother who has a baby that survives abortion to let it die and she’s not subject to prosecution. Mm-hmm. So that. And that becomes infanticide. On her part. Because she may have the ability to save that child. So a year after the child is born, that, I mean, that’s… In every place else in the world, that would be considered homicide. And it is. But this bill particularly keeps that from being homicide. Yes. And just when you think California couldn’t get any further off the reservation, so to speak, I mean, the sanity is just it’s gone out the window there.

[ 00:42:41,320 ]It’s just, and you know what, in a place like California, this bill will probably pass. Oh, it’s already passed. It’s been. Amended to make sure that people accept it. The wording is being changed. And something even worse, there are other states that are now doing the same thing. Because of that it’s… Then passed in California. Let me guess what those states might be. Well, let’s say New York. Minnesota. Mm-hmm. Washington State. That is the one that is. That I read the most about, that it’s coming up in Washington. Thank you. And. What do they all have in common? They’re not conservative. Yeah. Let’s just say they’re not conservative. Wow. Yeah, they’re pro-abortionists. They prefer the term pro-choice. Yeah, because it sounds a little nicer.

[ 00:43:47,720 ]Because it sounds nicer because they’ve tried to make everything sound very clinical. And then it’s like, what about the choice of the child in the womb? Yeah. Well, and I, you know, that’s one of the things this program is so good at is informing people. That a child is not just the creation of a man and a woman. No. The child is the creation of God. And at the moment of conception, God puts… a spirit. in that being. and that becomes a human being at the moment of conception. And we can’t just kill another human being. An individual human being that will not be recreated. So, you know, I don’t know if people sometimes think, oh, I’ll just have a baby later. Well, you will. You might.

[ 00:44:35,210 ]It’s going to be a different baby. The same child, not the one you killed, yeah, yeah, exactly. And it’s what people seem to forget. And some of them, you have to, you really have. As Christians, we have to excuse them because they’re not Christians. And the Bible tells us that. It’s our obligation to help, share the truth with them, and show them the way. And then, them to make their own choice about becoming a Christian, following Christ, and living a Christ-like life. But if they don’t, we can’t hold them to the same standard as other Christians. Christians that’s what burns me up are the ones who are supposed to be Christians— the pastors at the churches they’re supposed to be Christians and leading their flocks.

[ 00:45:15,660 ]And they’re not telling people, ‘We do not, as Christians, have the right.’ Well, they’re obviously not reading their Bibles. No, they’re not. We do not have the right to take a life that has been ordained by God. And that’s what a pregnancy is. That is a life that God has ordained to be. And we do not have the right to take that life. Not out of convenience, not out of anger, not out of… I mean, those are the two things. And that’s why, at the beginning of our show, we always… Say, before I formed you in the womb. Before I formed you in the womb. It’s not after you’re born. It’s not when you take your first breath of life into your lungs when you’re out. That’s not it.

[ 00:46:03,670 ]At the moment. Of conception. And what was God’s… Initial direction to Adam and Eve. And to all mankind. Was to go forth and multiply. Yep. And that multiplication. And God gave Eve to Adam because he first, to convince Adam that there was no other way he could do that, he had him review all this. All the animals. And then he gave him a wife who would allow both of them to complete their first commandment. Yeah. And have fun doing it, right? Yes, yes. That is another blessing that God gave us is that the problem is that some people have too much fun and they don’t have enough God because they don’t know that they’re not supposed to. And hey, I’m not. I’m not. Free of sin. None of us are.

[ 00:47:02,610 ]None of us are. That’s why we need Jesus Christ. That’s it. Because he is. Yeah, and I just urge people, and there are people out there that just don’t know their Bible. They don’t know God, and they don’t know their Bible, and if they did, they wouldn’t say, ‘Well, I don’t believe in abortion except in a case of rape.’ You know, there’s no ‘in a case of rape’ in the Bible. Or even say that the Bible says that it’s okay for abortion in case of rape because they quote certain passages in the Bible. Where God does talk about it. He doesn’t ever say it’s right. He doesn’t ever say you should do it. It’s just craziness. Hey, how can people get a hold of Larry?

[ 00:47:39,840 ]People can, and Larry wants to share this, people can get a hold of Larry by emailing him, Larry, L-A-R-R-Y dot Brumback, B-R-U-M-B-A-C-K at gmail . com. That’s Larry dot Brumback at gmail . com. And yes, sir. Well, and if people want to contact me, I will put them on my mailing list each month for the Salton Light Council newsletter. Okay. As well as answer questions about what we’ve talked about today. And if you’d like to have Larry come to your organization and share with you what the Salt and Light Council is all about, he’s more than willing to do that. Or to have a pro-life table. Have a pro-life table. table at your event. And also, you mentioned a website that people could go to to find out more about legislation and things like that.

[ 00:48:29,380 ]It was priestforlife. stateelectioncalendar. com. I wrote it down. Let me look it up. Just in case. Just in case. Priest for life. . state election. calendar dot com Is that right? Well, if you go to that. Yes. Okay. There you go. It’s stateelectioncalendar.org. Okay. . org. There we go. And then they have another site also called ProLifeVote.com. That’s a good one. ProLifeVote. com. ProLifeVote. com. All right. Well, Larry, thank you very much for being here. Tell your lovely wife, Lynn, we appreciate her loaning you to us tonight. And we will be back next week with another episode of Pro-Life Radio. We love you, Lynn. My lovely wife, Vicki Cherry. I’m Bruce Cherry, coming to you from the John Barrows Memorial Studio. Thank you for entrusting us with a little bit of your time on a Sunday night. AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer. If you’re pro-life, like this show, and want to support this mission, please help with your donation today. Go online. or make your checkout to Mission Save America, Inc. and mail it. To 13900 County Road 455, Unit 107-334, Claremont, Florida 34711. Pro-Life Radio is a non-profit entity and all donations are tax-deductible. Thank you.