Beyond the Clinic: Uncovering the Reality of Mail-Order Abortion Pills 

Key Topics

Florida for Life political committee’s efforts to end abortion in Florida

Challenges in tracking and reporting abortion statistics, especially with the rise of mail-order abortion pills

Personal stories and experiences of abortion survivors and former abortion doctors

The mental and emotional toll on women who have had abortions, and the need for churches and communities to provide support and healing

The importance of changing public perception and mindset around abortion, and the role of advertising and grassroots outreach in this effort

Insights and Takeaways

The current abortion statistics in Florida may not accurately reflect the true number of abortions due to the rise of mail-order abortion pills, which are difficult to track and report.

Abortion survivors and former abortion doctors have powerful stories that can change hearts and minds, but these stories are often not widely shared or discussed.

Women who have had abortions can suffer from long-term mental and emotional trauma, and the church and community need to be better equipped to provide support and healing.

Changing public perception and mindset around abortion is crucial, and this can be achieved through strategic advertising, grassroots outreach, and personal connections.

Conclusion and Decision

The Florida for Life political committee is taking on the challenging task of ending abortion in Florida through a petition-driven ballot initiative. To succeed, they will need to:

Develop a clear and compelling petition language and ballot summary.

Recruit and mobilize volunteers across the state to collect the necessary signatures.

Utilize strategic advertising and grassroots outreach to change public perception and mindset around abortion.

Provide support and resources for women who have had abortions, and work with churches and communities to create a culture of healing and restoration.

Continuously monitor and adapt their strategy as they navigate the complex legal and political landscape surrounding abortion in Florida.

The ultimate goal is to end abortion in Florida and protect the sanctity of life, but this will require a sustained, multi-faceted effort that addresses the various challenges and complexities involved.

Pro-Life Radio is a pre-recorded program paid for by Pro-Life Radio. Preserving the sanctity of life in Florida. A loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio with your hosts, Vicki and Bruce Cherry. And welcome to another edition of Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. Across from me, my lovely wife, Vicki Cherry. Good evening. Good evening. Does it feel like three years now? A lot longer. For those of you who are listening in, we just celebrated our three-year wedding anniversary. Along with Valentine’s Day. Along with Valentine’s last week, and we are now going into our third year of Pro-Life Radio. So interesting. Very interesting. All right. So tonight we have a guest back with us who originally started this show as the co-host with my lovely wife, Vicki. I’m Tom Vail.

Hello, everyone. Glad to be back again. I have to ask, with everything you have going on, when do you sleep? Just to give you all an idea: Tom Vail, who left the show because he ran for office. Tom is now the chairman of the Florida, the state chairman, Florida. State chairman, thank you for the Republican Liberty Caucus. He is also the county chairman for the Republican Liberty Caucus for Lake County, Florida, and Tom has started a new political action group, Florida for Life. Right. And that’s what we’re here to talk about. So tell us about, well, before we get to that. We should start with a prayer and a. And Jeremiah 1:5. Absolutely. I got ahead of myself. Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you.

Before you were born, I sanctified you. I ordained you a prophet to the nations. Heavenly Father, thank you for another opportunity to come together in your name and to share truth and to enlighten people and to prayerfully, we pray. Ask you that we be successful in saving babies, changing hearts and minds and saving babies. And God, we thank you for Tom. We ask you to bless his household and his family. Family and bless all that he does and that we just continue to be fruitful and do your work, because we always want to be in the middle of your will. Heavenly Father, thank you for all who are listening to this show, for all who contribute to keep this show on the air, for our producer and his household, and for our household.

God, we ask for your blessings to continue, and we thank you. In the name of your precious Son, Jesus Christ, amen. Amen. All right. So were you that excited to see me, or was it the muffins with the sugar? The muffins with the sugar. Tom’s wife, Vera, is an incredible baker. And she came bearing gifts this evening. Doesn’t she have an online business? She’s in our live studio audience today. Yes, she is. She is. Tell us about her business. She does it. We’re just really thinking about starting a serious business. Oh, so we were the test monkeys just now. That’s what that was. If you live, then we’ll use this recipe. No. Kidding, kidding. No, we have focused on politics and political campaigns for like six, seven years now.

In a sense, we’re getting tired of it. We’re trying to do something else, but we need to make some money. We’ve been focused so much on this, we haven’t focused on our business. We used to have a huge flower business, and that’s dead and gone now, dead and buried. COVID. Well, that put the nail in the coffin, so to speak. But she’s a really great baker. She loves doing it. Bread, cookies. She cooks all kinds of stuff. Everybody asks, ‘Oh, does she make good Thai food?’ Yeah, she makes good burritos. She makes good. All kinds of stuff she does. Is burritos Thai food? I was misled. Not normally. What you said, they asked you if she makes Thai food. She makes Thai food and they said burritos. She makes great burritos.

I’m like, okay. See, everybody asks me, they expect Thai food. Does she make Pad Thai? Well, she makes all kinds of stuff regularly. She makes simple Asian-style food, but Vietnamese, Chinese, it’s all Asian— it’s all a fusion kind of a thing that’s a favorite. But she makes great burritos and tacos. How would we get a hold of her? She makes great European-type noodle dishes. You’re being given an opportunity for a plug here. So, Well, I appreciate that. But we don’t have anything that’s really set up yet. Well, when you do, let us know. She makes the best pies. Pecan pie, apple pie, cherry pie. Cheesecakes, you had her cheesecake, haven’t you? Yes, and the banana nut bread she made. Yes, banana nut bread muffins. Very nice, yes.

She complains that I need to lose weight, but it’s a challenge. I should be like 20 or 30 pounds heavier with what she cooks. So okay, so let’s get back on track. Back on track here. This is about me, not about her. She does a lot of baking and bakes a lot of bread, and bread is the food of life. So let’s talk about life. Florida for life, what’s what’s going on with that? Okay, so some of us like like the idea of ending abortion, amen, and that’s that’s kind of why we’re here. Yeah, but uh, I got involved in this about four years ago with another petition to stop abortion in Florida, a constitutional amendment, and unfortunately it didn’t do well. That’s kind of how we all met.

Yeah, yeah that’s true, yeah. Um, we were working on that together, and we we met at a training. You were the late County captain, right? I was Seminole and kind of boring. Well, in the first year they really didn’t have County captains, I guess, but in the second year they really did or the second cycle because he didn’t 24 Trying to get on the 22 ballot trying to get on the 24 ballot And you’ve got to get a million signatures. And to do that, you’ve got to have a serious campaign, a strategy, a step-by-step plan. This is what we have to do. This is how we have to do it. And then start executing that plan. So I don’t think we had that.

um, not not really developed fully, if there was anything there at all, because I never really heard a plan except ‘go collect signatures So… During the interim time there, I found out a plan. It’s actually a plan that’s proven to be successful in California, by the way. Thank you. It got a… Well, you laugh. But here’s the thing. We need a million signatures in Florida. California, they needed five million. Oh, wow. In Florida, we’ve got a year. 12 calendar months to collect the signatures. You know what they had in California? 90 days. 90 days. 90 days, yeah. Yeah. So, if you were going to try to collect a million signatures in a year, wouldn’t you want to talk to somebody that did it in 90 days and say, ‘How did you accomplish that?’ Well, if they’re Democrats, you know they went to the cemetery.

I’m sorry. Did I really say that out loud? I did, didn’t I? All right, Tom, continue. We can’t help it. Okay, so. I got the plan. And I kind of had it in my head anyway, but this plan, they did it. They executed it. It was successful. They cheated on the ballot. And nobody did anything about that, but they got it on the ballot. And that’s really the first hurdle. When you’ve got elections that are just totally dishonest, there’s not much you can do about it. In Florida, they say we have the gold standard, which is—an opinion. We’re better than most states, maybe better than all the states. It’s not the gold standard like perfection. Mm-hmm. But there’s a lot of things we do in here. We require voter ID.

We’ve got cleaner, cleaner voter rolls than a lot of states. We’ve cleaned off a lot of voters that aren’t voting— either they’re dead or they’re inactive. And we still got inactive voters on the voter rolls, but they’re automatically removed under certain conditions. And other states don’t do that. They just keep adding and adding and adding. And that’s where the fraud comes in. I talked to somebody yesterday from New Jersey. candidate for Congress that got on the ballot but They lost in the general election. She lost in the general election because of truckloads, or busloads rather, of voters coming in from a certain organization. And they looked at the voter registration booklets, books on the table, and said, ‘I’m that guy.’ Where’s your voter ID? We don’t have voter ID in our state.

So you’ve got a name of someone that hasn’t voted, and you’ve got a body— that you can’t identify. And there’s no way to positively link the voter registration with that body, that real live individual person. He just says, ‘I’m that guy.’ Then he casts a ballot, and it gets counted. California is even worse. So, and then he could. Probably go down that list and pick a different person, go to a different precinct and vote there. Yes? No? Who would ever think to do something like that? Oh, I don’t know, but I think people do that. Georgia. Oh, I’m sorry. Pardon me. Thanks for watching! Sorry I got something in my throat you were saying something about your girlfriend Georgia.

Yeah. So elections are a big problem, but that’s not what we came here to talk about. We came here to talk about how we’re going to stop abortion. Yeah. So it’s a difficult issue. We all know that. So I actually brought some statistics. Statistics that I printed off this morning from the Florida Department of Health. They’ve got a… I forget the agency name, but it’s an agency that keeps the statistics. Let me let me read a couple things here. So, in 2023, Abortions in Florida were 84,000. 2024, 64,000. These are round numbers. I mean, it’s not exactly. What was that, 64,000? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. In 2025, 48, 000. So we’ve got a six-week abortion ban in Florida, which is really great. Nobody would violate that law.

Of course not. I know you’re waiting for that. The other side of that is, and maybe this isn’t where you wanted to go yet. But are we calculating enough? Well, before you say that. Ah, you knew what I was going to say. Before you say anything. So we see the numbers going down, 84, 64, 48. You know, that looks really good, especially with this six-week ban. But… There’s always a but. So if you’re doing mail order abortion pills. There’s no way to track it. But see, these are reported numbers. This is. whoever, I don’t want to call it a medical facility, but they’re regulated. They’re mortuaries. Just call it what it is. Yeah. So, well, I’m going to get into that in a minute, too.

And I guess we’ll have to wait for the next segment because we’re getting close to the end here. Yes, we are. But the point is. With abortion pills that you can get anywhere and keep them on yourself for years—maybe. You know, you can buy it last year or the year before and it just sits there until you need it. Anybody could do it anytime, anywhere. And there’s no way to require reporting. There’s no way to enforce reporting. Nobody would want to report it. Know who’s going to call up the state, say, ‘Oh, I had an abortion today with a pill, put me on the list. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, nobody. Nobody. The only possible way to track it would be through the sale of the pill, which the pharmaceutical companies do not want you to be able to track at all.

Let’s start with that. At the next segment, all right, more pro-life radio coming up in just a bit. It’s a Sunday night, and we have our former co-host, partner in the studio with us, Tom Vale from Florida for Life. We’ll tell you more about that organization coming up in just a bit. Pro-Life Radio on AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer. And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicki Cherry, along with my husband, Bruce. Hello. And we have Tom Bell back in the house. I love to be here. And we love having you. We do. I love to pick on Tom. Always have. Always will. Yes. Amen. I’m amazed he’s had a chance to talk so much because, normally, when you two were just doing the show together, I almost didn’t know Tom was on the show.

Oh, no. I’ve been practicing. He just interrupts. Yes. Anyway, Tom is here with his political action committee and it is called Florida for Life. You can go to Florida for spelled out F-O-R life dot com and learn more about it also on there. But Tom. You were talking about the pill when we went to break. So let me back up just a little bit. Florida for Life, you said PAC. It’s technically called a political committee in Florida. Political committee, not PAC, P-A-C. Not a political action. Not political action. Just a terminology thing. So in Florida, there are six different types of political committees, and I don’t remember the details, but one is a political party. And as a political committee… which is what Florida for Life is, you have to file campaign finance reports just like a candidate would.

So this is like a candidate campaign. Oh, okay. It mostly follows the same laws. There’s a little bit of variation, but that’s kind of the idea. And if you don’t remember, Tom. is a lawyer. I was not licensed as a lawyer. I went to law school. I have a degree from a top university, but that’s beside the point. Well, it helps with the validity. I went to law school for political policy reasons. I never wanted to be a litigator. It’s about policy. Because I… was mistreated by the legal system when I was in my 20s and I said, ‘I want to change this. I want to do something about it’ and I got involved for a little while and it was like a dead end. So I said enough of this.

That’s a whole other story. Yeah, it is. Oh, I didn’t know. Oh, okay. Well, anyway, so I got into business. I was in construction. I was in the flower business, believe it or not. But I got out of that. I got into politics. And I’m using more the law degree and the public policy idea now. And I’ve put a lot of it into this abortion idea. And it’s really become a focus of my life. I hadn’t planned this. It just kind of developed. It’s funny how God uses this, isn’t it? And you get to a certain place in your life. Some people say that. It’s like, ‘Oh, okay. This is what we’re doing.’ Okay. Okay. You’re God. We’ll go. All the pieces to get me into this track were developed over decades, and I didn’t plan on this.

And we get it. We get it. A little bit of this, a little bit of that, and there’s Tom Vale. So I see here on the website Florida for Life, you have a donate button. So obviously people can go there and make donations. Yes, and we need a lot of that. Okay. So this is a big campaign, and part of it is just getting signatures. On the petition forms to get this on the ballot, like I said, we need about a million petitions. It’s actually a little bit less, but we’ve got a target at a million. It’s an easy word to say. We have to have money to do this. The petitions technically don’t cost money, but everything around it costs money.

My plan personally is: I’ve got to go to every county in Florida, meet with people, tell them what we have to do, why we have to do it. This is the program. This is how it works. So I’ve been to a few counties so far. The political committee was registered December 31st of 2025, so it’s just over a month old now. The website was just up about a week ago, a week or two ago. The donate there, that’s actually a political campaign donation, just like a candidate would have. And I’ve got to do reporting every single dollar has to be reported. Um, Yeah, so the next campaign, I’m just thinking, did I miss a filing date? This is critical. If you miss a filing date, it’s a $50 penalty just for one day.

And then after that, it goes up to a $500 penalty. It’s really outrageous. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Right now. And they change the dates. And sometimes they change the dates and they’ll give you a calendar. This is the dates for the year. And then you’ll change it halfway through the year. Do they notify you they’ve changed it? Well, yeah. But if you have a hundred emails a day and you miss a day or two, you could lose that and that’s it. Wow. Okay. So the next right now it’s a quarterly filing. So the next filing is after end of March and it’s usually 10 days after the end of the period. So, okay. Let’s, because I think we might have skipped a little bit of something.

So the Florida for Life political committee is fighting to get a petition signed. What is the petition about? The petition is to stop abortion in Florida. Okay, okay. The goal is to end abortion completely. So you see people standing on the street corner trying to or in front of abortion clinics trying to stop people from going in. And, you know, whatever they’re doing, holding signs, trying to talk to people. They have marches. They do legislation lobbying in the state capital, Tallahassee, here in Florida. But we haven’t succeeded. And part of that is because of Roe v. Wade. Okay. Roe v. Wade said you’ve got to have abortion everywhere. And we’ve been locked into that mindset that we can’t get out of this. We’re trapped.

So the idea has just been to try to stop abortion one by one. What I want to do is change the environment so nobody wants to have an abortion. So this is part of it, making it basically illegal. Now, would that also extend to barring pharmaceutical companies from mailing the abortion pill into the state? Well, this is one of the problems that you’ve got to deal with reality. How can you stop mail? I mean, they tried to do it with ivermectin. You can’t buy ivermectin when they were doing the COVID thing a few years ago. They stopped it then. Yes, well. The i’ve been involved in this abortion business now for four years and I’m shocked by the things that I’m learning even today. Mm-hmm.

So on this radio program, what, six months I was a co-host, and I heard stories I’d never heard before. And because of that, I got involved with people outside that you all haven’t ever talked to that have told me stories that are just amazing and shocking to me. I talked to a lady yesterday. She’s a survivor of abortion. This is one thing that people never talk about. You think abortion, oh, it kills the baby. Sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it doesn’t, yeah. I’ve got some data on that, too, by the way. I’ll read you in just a minute. But we got off the track that we were supposed to talk about pills. Okay, so I was talking about how many abortions there were in Florida: 84,000, 64,000, 48,000.

And I just got this data printed off from the state website today. And the latest data, I think, is dated January 31st, if I’m not mistaken, or December 31st, one or the other. But it’s very recent data, very recent data. Because they update it from time to time depending on new information. But I have been told, and I haven’t seen any evidence to prove this. That sixty percent of the abortions now or buy the pill. So if we got 40,000, reported from facilities, and that’s only 40 percent of it, that means we have a hundred thousand in Florida. So the numbers are really not going down like the data shows. Absolutely not. No. Because there are fewer abortion mills. And they’re closing down. They’re closing down.

And so what they’ve done is they’ve gone dark, so to speak. Mail-order abortion. And those numbers are. I’m sure even higher than 100,000. And some of the abortion mills are still operating, but they’re doing the pill abortions. And so those stats are collected in a different manner. It’s considered a non-surgical procedure. Yeah. And you don’t even know if you’re getting data. And the reports of people that I know in the anti-abortion industry, they always like to say pro-life, but they really need to say anti-abortion because that’s really the big problem. Euthanasia is a different problem, related because it’s both about human life doesn’t matter. And just, I think it was yesterday or maybe a week ago, yesterday, there was an article about Canada now wanting to euthanize babies after birth up to a year if they have any deformities, like if it may be painful for them.

Who would? Ever do something like that. I’m sorry. Besides Nazis in Germany. And it’s like… Isn’t taking a life, isn’t that painful? And who has the right to decide that that baby shouldn’t live? And that’s the problem. And none of us do. None of us have a right to make that decision. Except for God. Yeah. And we are not God. So I’m reading a book. And there’s so many books on this subject. But it’s talking about abortion doctors. I hate to use the word doctor, but they’re medical doctors with MDs doing this. And what they do is they don’t look at what they’re doing. You know, they look at a screen on a computer and they see, you know, a black and white image and they’re watching where the instruments go and they never look at the blood and guts falling out on the, you know, the collection pan because they can’t even deal with the problem.

And we’ve had several abortion doctors on that are no longer abortion doctors. Yeah, I should say, we should say former abortion doctors. Yeah, that’s what I just said. They say that time that makes them realize is maybe when that little hand touches them or that they see that face. The doctor that we had on… Kathy Altman. No, there was another doctor. There was a male, and I’m drawing a blank on his name. Haywood Robinson? Haywood, Dr. Haywood, yes. He came to realize what he was doing was wrong when, I think, a baby kicked him and touched him. Yeah. That he was aborting. And after that, he was like, ‘Done. Couldn’t do it.’ I mean, how could you? You hear these stories. How could you work on an abortion clinic where you’re throwing baby’s heads around?

As a joke, what if? What if you’re an obstetrician, okay, and you’ve got all these patients in the ward in the hospital, and you go into this room and she’s having a baby, you know, bringing life into the world. You go into the next room and you’re destroying a life. Yeah, how does your brain comprehend that and see that’s what Kathy Altman had said? She would say here. She was treating these women that had abortions and were not doing well. They had a lot of suicide, a lot of depression, a lot of alcoholism, whatever it may be. Disease. Mental health issues. But then she’s seen these mothers that even though maybe some of them were in a tight fix, but they decided to keep their child. We’re doing great. They were healthier.

Oh, I got some health issues to talk to you about. All right. Well, we’re going to take a break. We’ve got Tom Vail in the studio with us from Florida for Life talking about… His political group, political committee that is working to get signatures for a petition. We’ll talk more about that coming up. It is Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. My lovely wife, Vicki Cherry. I’m Bruce Cherry. We’ll be right back with details on how you can help keep this radio ministry on the air. Coming up on AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer. And welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicki Cherry. Across from me is my handsome husband, Bruce. Hey! Hey, and right beside me, my past co-host, Tom Vail. Hey, Tom.

I’m loving it. We love having Tom back. We do. We do. Tom is here from Florida for Life and working on getting signatures for the petition to end abortion in Florida. Right. So let’s talk about, because we were talking about… all the health issues that go along with abortion. Women that have abortions have higher risks of ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, breast cancer, higher rates of depression, higher rates of alcoholism and drug abuse, higher rates of suicide. Well, I wasn’t going to go there. I was going to go more to the babies. Okay. Because one of the problems we have with abortion—oh, this is going to be a Down syndrome baby— you wouldn’t want to bring somebody into the world that would have to suffer through that for their entire life.

Now let’s rip them apart in the womb. You wouldn’t want to make that burden on society. You wouldn’t want that financial burden on your family. You’ve got other children. You’d have to devote so much attention to this child. You’d ignore your other children. So, if you’ve ever met a Down syndrome person, we have we have several people that we know would you say, well let’s just kill this guy. You can’t do that. Yeah. But as long as you don’t see that person, as long as that person is less than 10 inches long, then it’s okay. That’s the problem. We’ve accepted this brainwashing that that’s okay. Fifty years of propaganda that says you’ve got to be perfect. Is there anybody perfect? Obviously not in our hearts— we’re perfect, but even physically.

I mean, we’ve got some nice-looking people out there, but nobody’s perfect. No. And look at the range of intelligence. You know, you’ve got a whole big— you can’t have perfect people. You know, some people are super smart. Most people are in the middle. There’s a lot of them that are just… Well, it’s like Hitler. Do we all really want blonde-haired, blue-eyed? That’s the only thing we want? Is that what people think is perfect? I have to say no on that. That’s right. Absolutely. I’ve got a personal stake in that there. Okay, so the we’ve got to change how people think and one of the ideas is that the in-the-womb diagnosis is not a prognosis. We’ve heard. Excerpts or little, little what do you call it— single stories about people that…

oh, this this person’s not going to survive, this baby will never survive, and they survive, and it could be for days or weeks or months or even years. Or there was never anything wrong with them. And that too. Yeah. A diagnosis is not a prognosis. It’s a suggestion. It’s a screening technique. And the mentality of the doctors has got to change. It’s like pastors. You can’t talk about this in church. You’ve got to change that idea. Doctors have to change their base thinking. And they should be trained this way in medical school. They’re there to preserve life. I’ll like it. So, when it comes to babies, you’re there to preserve life. Not to destroy it. It’s not that hard to think about, especially with an obstetrician.

Your job is to bring life into the world, not to destroy it. Yeah, it’s just… The double-mindedness. So we all know about PTSD with soldiers, okay? It’s a big thing— the last, what, 30, 40 years now. You know, they used to have different names for it, shell shock or whatever. But doctors have the same thing. And to force them to destroy life. While their career is supposed to be protecting and preserving life, it has to be driving them crazy inside. They’ve got to be. There’s got to be mental distress there that we’re not seeing. And we talked about it before, it takes them out of the industry. And that’s one of the reasons why the abortion pill has become so prevalent, because Planned Parenthood and other abortuaries around the country were having difficulty staffing those facilities.

Yeah, and nobody has to see the results. Except the fraudulent mother. So let’s talk about that one. This is going to be horrible. You got your barf bag with you now? You might need it. So, the abortion pill. There’s two things— two parts— and I’m not an expert on this. So, if somebody wants to correct me on the details, that’s fine. But in general, what happens is you’ve got one chemical that’s killing the baby. And one chemical. Starving it. Methapristone, I think it is, yeah. Yeah, I forget the name. But that’s killing the baby. And number two. Something that’s destroying the placenta. That causes the… The spasming and the expulsion of the… Exactly. So these drugs don’t work. Perfectly, everybody knows drugs sometimes there’s a side effect sometimes they work faster sometimes slower.

So suppose you’ve got this drug killing the baby in the womb and it takes 24 to 36 hours to work. And in a case, the placenta-destroying drug works in about four hours. You’ve got a baby that comes out. Still alive. Thank you. And if you’re… The mother, the pregnant woman, Maybe a teenager that… Oops, I shouldn’t have done that. Or a girl in college without parental supervision. Mm-hmm. I’ve got to hide this before anybody finds out. And how does this happen? Where do you suppose it happens? In the bathroom. Mm-hmm. In what particular part of the bathroom? The toilet. This is, get your barf bag ready. So the girl is sitting on the toilet. And I’m just focusing on, you know, teen, 20s, but it could be any age.

But she’s sitting there. Plop. Something falls out. Don’t look at it. I can’t help myself. I have to look at it. Oh my gosh, it’s still moving. I can see arms and legs. Mm-hmm. Can you imagine? That instantly what you’re thinking and feeling as that person. You know, they’re telling us men can’t talk about this. Men have no choice. But you really. Anybody can think about anything. Anybody can talk about anything. If you were that Woman, girl, whatever. What do you do? If you saw a kitten fall in a toilet, what would you do? Reach in and get them out. Yeah, keep it alive. Yeah. But if you’ve got a… A tiny baby that’s less than six inches. And we don’t know ever. The age of the fetus.

you know you’ve got a general idea you know it’s it’s less than six months but You don’t know for sure. so she sees it oh my gosh pick it up put it in a tupperware or whatever Now what do I do with it? Well, we’ve had people on the show that have told us stories about women, young girls showing up in emergency rooms. Or at the abortion clinic. Or at the abortion clinic. Or at the pregnancy center. With a baggie or Tupperware. And they go, I… I didn’t know what to do with this. Yeah. And they hand them. But forget about that. Yeah. That’s a small problem. You got that picture in your head for the rest of your life. Oh, yeah. What is that going to do to people?

These girls, particularly talking about younger girls, teens and 20s. who have been lied to and said it’s not a baby. Whatever. But they’re finding out too late. That’s for sure. Can you imagine carrying that with you for your whole life? How are you going to get married? How are you going to have children? How are you going to look at other children? What are you going to do on Mother’s Day? The only way to get past that… is to ask for forgiveness. From God. And not everybody’s going to be able to do that because not everybody is in the same place in their faith or even open to faith. And so that’s not going to get forgiveness if the pastor will not talk about it. That’s a good point.

That’s a very good point. And that’s why our churches have really fallen down. We need to talk about things. If you can’t talk about it, you can’t fix it. If you can’t talk about it, you can’t discuss options of how to change it, how to fix it. Tom, that’s why it’s so great that you’re doing something about it. Something and action. You’re taking an action. You’re doing something. That God has put on your heart, obviously. Where do we get the petition to sign? There is none. And you’re looking at me and say, ‘Why would you do this without a petition to sign?’ Because the petition has to be signed in a particular period, a 12-month period. Specified before the election. So the election we’re looking at is 2028. Okay.

So the petitions have to be signed between February 1st of 2027. I think it’s on the website. I’m looking at it. February 1st, 2027 through January 31st, 2028. Yes, but don’t look at January 31st as the deadline. Because they have to be verified, so we really want to look at the first of January, so it’s really an 11-month period, not a 12-month period, because you can’t turn it in at the last minute and know for sure it’s going to be approved by the supervisor. Elections. So it’s a 12-month period. So right now we’re, what is that, 11 months ahead of that time, that starting time. So we cannot have a petition. We don’t want people thinking the petition is there and they can sign it and then turn it in and it’s invalid.

So we don’t want the petition available until that day when it’s valid. So what are we doing now? We’re doing what the people in California did. Find the people who will sign the petition. So we’re looking for volunteers right now, either to collect petitions or to sign a petition. We’re looking for two categories of people. So we’ve got… 11 months to do that before even starting to get signatures. So. the petition won’t be available until that day. We’ll have the wording available sometime later this year so people can say this is what it’s really going to say. Because there’s two things we have to do. We have to have the actual text that’s enacted. And we have to have what’s called a ballot summary. It’s just a short paragraph that tells what it’s all about.

Gotcha. And there’ll be nothing hidden in there like there was with the… the Amendment 4 petition. Because remember, they tried to hide a lot of stuff in there, and the governor called them out on it. Thank God for that. Hey, time for us to take another break. We’ll be right back. We’ve got Tom Vail in the studio from Florida for Life talking about the process of protecting the unborn here in the state of Florida. And God willing, it’ll happen here and spread throughout the country. More Pro-Life Radio coming up on a Sunday night on AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer. And we’re back on a Sunday night pro-life radio streaming on theanswerorlando.com. And we’ve got Tom Vail, former co-host for the show in the studio across from me, my lovely wife, Vicki Cherry.

Happy anniversary month. Yeah. It’s our third anniversary month. Valentine’s Day was third anniversary. We’re just celebrating the whole month. That’s interesting. Happy wife, happy life. That’s the truth. There you go. All right. So Tom’s here from Florida for Life. Tom is also very politically active. If you recall, he left the show because he was so active, and he’s doing God’s work, so thank goodness. For that. Tom is the chairman of the Florida Republican Liberty Caucus for Lake County and the state chairman for the Republican Liberty Caucus. And Tom has started a political committee. Florida for life. Who is they’re working to start a a petition initiative, I guess it would be. And we talked earlier how that was kind of how we all started was on the past petition.

Which didn’t make the ballot. The human life protection. The human life protection. Now, do you have a name for your petition? What kind of things are going to be in it? And go from there. That’s a good question. I hadn’t really thought about a name for the petition. Last time they called it Human Life Protection. That was the name of the organization. So you have to have a name for a new organization. You’ve got to have a ballot summary. You’ve got to write the actual text. So the ballot summary is just two or three sentences, but the text can be multiple pages. So I don’t think we’ll do that. I think we’ll have maybe a paragraph at the most, and we’ll have two or three sentences.

And I’m working with some lawyers and some marketing people about exactly how it needs to be worded. More likely to pass because that’s the whole point we got to get it passed, so we’ve got to get it on the ballot— that’s step one. Then we’ve got to get the votes to get it passed. So to do all of that, we’ve got to get volunteers to collect the signatures, to collect the petitions. I’ve got a plan for that. But I can’t tell you it’s top secret. Okay. But I can tell you step one of that is I have to go around to every county in Florida to find people to explain this to them so that they know directly how to do this.

One of the problems we had with the last two petition drives, and I think there was one before that that I’m really not familiar with, is that they didn’t make it. Continuous and durable. They didn’t build from what they already had. They let the thing splinter apart. So a big part of this is messaging, marketing, advertising. So there has to be advertising along with what we’re doing every step. So I’ve been talking to some advertising people about this too. And… on that subject, there’s something coming up this year—something you’ve heard, you know, about soccer. You know, we call it soccer in this country, and the rest of the world calls it football. Yeah, the World Cup. So that’s going to be here.

So I’ve just found out there’s a new advertising program that they’ve been developing over the past 12 months. That they’re planning to put on the World Cup. And billions of people around the world will see this. And it’s a horrible ad. And the reason I say that is going to make you cry because what it’s about is horrible. It’s about people that have survived abortions. Hmm-hmm. Wow. The deformities. At one of our banquets, that, because I was the president of the board of a banquet or a pregnancy center in Montana, and we had a lady that had survived an abortion. It was a powerful, I think it’s the best testimony I’ve ever heard. You know, she couldn’t, she had a limp. And it was because of a failed abortion.

What they’re going to have on this advertising. His pictures of people and some really short stories, there’s one with a missing arm because his arm was ripped off when he was in the womb. There’s one that’s got severe brain damage because somebody scooped out part of her brain. I mean, tell me that’s not going to make you cry. That’ll impact everybody that sees that. So that’ll help what I’m doing a little bit. That’ll be later this year. But we’ve got to do a lot of advertising here in Florida. We had a petition for abortion last year that made it to the ballot. Fortunately, we had a 60 percent voting threshold that we almost reached. We got 57% that was in favor of abortion without restriction. I can’t believe it went that far.

But we’ve got a big battle to pull that back, change public opinion, and make them realize that all of these things that the abortion people are saying are mostly lies. Hmm-mmm. You know, they’re using an exception that’s like one hundredth of a percent. to say that this happens all the time. And what they’re not telling you is how many people actually live through abortions and develop productive lives. And I know we’ve had stories on here together. That people have survived abortion or missed abortion because of a an adoption or whatever. And when I talk about this, I go to meetings, and this is the big thing. I need to go to meet people everywhere in the state. And I can do a presentation. I need at least two minutes.

All I have to say is two minutes, because when I do that, I get people that are serious. I could do an hour-long presentation. But we’ve got to have the people. They’ve got to be locally active. And to get this to pass, it’s not just getting a million signatures from Miami. It’s getting a certain number of threshold in each congressional district based on the population of registered voters in the district based on who voted in the last election. That’s how this whole calculation really complicated calculation. But I’ve got to go around the whole state to do it. I’m working with a county projection. So, if I get the counties enough signatures from each county, then I’m on track. So that’s why I’ve got to go to every county.

I need somebody in every county to do this, multiple people. So, like Miami, I need a lot of people. Some of the other counties that have a smaller population need less people. But that’s the whole point. So. To do what I’m doing is relatively inexpensive. You know, people say, ‘Oh, you’re going to need $100 million to do this.’ Well, not really. It depends on how you do it. I’m very frugal in how I operate in my life, in my business. I had a business that we did some huge amount of marketing on a relatively small budget, because of the way we did it. And a lot of it’s personal contact. And that’s what’s the most powerful thing in campaigning is personal contact.

If I’m the guy telling everybody in the whole state something, they don’t know me. But people around you know you. So this is how we build the system, the network. A grassroots, word-of-mouth kind of plan. Bingo. And that works best for candidates, too, running for office. The best thing is door-to-door, face-to-face. You can do videos so people can see your face, but personal interaction is the best way. So my thought is we get this started on a very low budget. As it builds momentum, people say, ‘Oh, this is starting to work.’ We’re making progress. So then we’ll get money coming in to do more and more advertising. And like I said, I’m working with some advertising people how to do this on a very narrow budget, very small budget, shoestring budget actually where we’re starting.

But we can get a lot done, a lot more than people imagine because they’ve looked at this the wrong way. Nobody wants to kill an innocent person. And we’ve got to make people think that way with the babies. And we know that. But a lot of people don’t because they’re listening to choice. And choice is important. We all want choice. But they’re making pregnant girls think that their only choice, their only option, is an abortion. You can go to college if you’re pregnant. Yes, you can. You can get a degree with a child, with a pregnancy. You can do it if you’re married or unmarried. You can do it in poverty. There’s all kinds of ways to get money. And the old one, the shame, doesn’t. The shame isn’t there like it used to be.

Yeah, nobody cares. Yeah, that was it. I mean, abortion existed because 40, 50, 60 years ago, there was so much shame if a young lady was unwed and got pregnant. I mean, there’s still some, but it’s not like it was. No, not at all. Not at all. Completely different now. So anybody can live through this. And children are a burden. But they’re also, who wants to get rid of their children? You know, all these old ladies with gray hair saying, ‘We’ve got to have abortion, we’ve got to have abortion.’ Ask them if they want to kill one of their grandchildren. That’s never going to happen. It might happen once in a while. Here’s something else that’s very sad but true.

A lot of those women out there that are screaming for pro-choice, that are like, ‘Abortion is right, abortion is right,’ and they’re gray-haired. They don’t have any children. Because they participated in abortion once. Misery loves company. Maybe twice, maybe multiple times, and they now find themselves alone. Hmm-mmm. Well, Tom, we only have a couple minutes left, so tell us what we need to know. Well, number one, look at my website, the committee website, floridaforlife. com. Please donate. There’s a donate there with credit card. There’s also a mailing address. You mail a check. You can do a donation, $5 donation once a month will add up if we get a lot of people around the state of Florida doing that. And you can donate from out of state too.

But let me read a couple of statistics here real quick before we get off. Because we were talking about who survives abortion, who lives through the abortion attempt. And these are reported cases. In Florida and there could be thousands of others that are unreported because all we know is the reports we get and it’s it’s basically some of them are live and they’re then killed so yeah that’s true too and these don’t count the toilet abortions yeah i hate to bring up those barf bag issues but it’s a fact so here we have 2023: 14 reported in Florida, not a lot reported. Remember this is reported could be 100 times more than this, we don’t know. 2024: 6, 2025: 12. So we know for a fact it happens.

So these are probably medical doctors that are involved in this, MDs at hospitals where they have to report. They can’t avoid reporting because they’ve got people looking over their shoulder. Um, A lot of other statistics. We don’t have time to get into it. But please help. Please support. Look at the website. There’s an email contact form on there, so if you’re interested in participating and you haven’t made a direct contact with me, use the contact form on the website. To get this done, Tom’s going to need a lot of people. So even if you don’t have funding, money, you can still help. Call me. I’ll do a meeting with two or three people at your house, at your church, wherever I can. And you know what?

If you’ve got an extra five, ten bucks, every penny is going to help, too. Every little bit helps. Yep. We know Tom is frugal. And I’m going to personally go on the… on the air here and I’ll donate. Vicki’s, her budget for… I’m going to shut up now. Better watch it. fingernails, hairdresser, Starbucks. I don’t go to Starbucks. No, actually, I am blessed. I have a very frugal wife. I really do. How many pairs of shoes does she have? She’s very frugal. Yeah. Anyway. That does it for Pro-Life Radio this week. Thank you, Tom. We love you and love the family. Thank you for coming by and being on the show. And thank you for what you’re doing. FloridaForLife. com. Check out the website. More Pro-Life Radio next week. And we thank you all. And details coming on how you can help keep this radio ministry alive and on the air as we work to protect all life because all life matters. Amen. Have a great night. God bless. We’ll see you next week. Pro-Life Radio on AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer.