Pam Stenzel Advocating for the Sanctity of Life

Here is a summary of the key topics, insights, and conclusion/decision from the discussion in markdown format:

Preserving the Sanctity of Life in Florida: A Powerful Voice for the Unborn

Key Topics

Pam Stenzel’s work advocating for the sanctity of life and helping women make informed, value-based decisions about sex and pregnancy

The debate around abortion exceptions for cases of rape, incest, and trafficking

The impact of the abortion pill and the rise of “drive-through” and at-home abortions

The trauma and long-term consequences experienced by women who have had abortions

The role of the church and pregnancy centers in supporting women and families

Insights and Takeaways

Abortion exceptions, even in cases of rape or incest, still result in the death of an innocent child and further damage the mother

The abortion pill and at-home abortions are leading to increased trauma, complications, and even deaths, as women are not receiving proper medical care and oversight

The pro-life movement needs to be more vocal and proactive, rather than settling for incremental progress that still allows abortions to continue

The church and pregnancy centers play a crucial role in providing support, resources, and discipleship to women and families facing unplanned pregnancies

Conclusion and Decision

Abortion must be criminalized and personhood must be established to truly protect the unborn and provide equal protection for all human life

The pro-life movement must continue to fight tirelessly, without compromise, to end abortion in all cases and provide comprehensive support for women and families

Individuals must get involved in their local pregnancy centers, pro-life ministries, and churches to make a tangible difference in their communities

Pam Stenzel can be reached at her website, pamstenzel.net, or on social media. The Life Banquet of Central Florida, hosted by Pro-Life Action Ministries, is on May 12th and features keynote speaker Troy Newman.

[ 00:00:00,000 ]Preserving the sanctity of life in Florida, a loud voice for the unborn. This is Pro-Life Radio with your hosts, Vicky and Bruce Cherry. And good evening. It’s a Sunday night and it means it’s time for Pro-Life Radio once again. I’m Bruce Cherry. Across from me, my lovely wife, and partner, and soulmate. Amen. Vicky Cherry. Hey. Hello, husband. She’s planning a birthday gathering for me this weekend, so that’s nice. Yeah. Very nice. So we have… She’s hand signaling me something. Let’s start over. What are you trying to do? Well, I don’t know if you know what day it is. Yeah, it’s the 29th. My birthday’s the 30th. Okay, well, the party’s before that. Well, still, they don’t need to know that. All right. We’re going to start over. Sorry about that.

[ 00:00:53,660 ]No hand signals. Yeah, the intro again. No, you don’t need the intro again. I’ll just take it from the top. Here we go. Three, two, one. And welcome to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. It is Pro-Life Radio and my lovely wife, Vicky Cherry, my soulmate, my partner, and boss. Oh, that is not true. Sitting across from me, and she’s playing a little birthday gathering for me, my birthday weekend this weekend. I turned the big 6-3. So, yeah. Thank you, dear. I love you. We have a great guest with us tonight, Pam Stenzel. Pam, am I pronouncing your last name correctly? Yes, that’s very good. That works. Thank you very much. Pam has dedicated her entire adult life to serving women experiencing crises, pregnancies, and advocating for the sanctity of life.

[ 00:01:42,470 ]We’re going to spend some time with her. But before we do… We always start things off with Jeremiah 1-5 and prayer. Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born, I sanctified you. I ordained you a prophet to the nations. Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for another opportunity to have this show on the air. We thank you for all who donate to keep this show on the air, this ministry going. And we thank you that we are able to just share truth and protect the unborn through that truth and make people aware just how… Precious and Sacred. Life is, that none of us has a… has a right to invalidate something that you’ve ordained to be, a life that you’ve ordained to be.

[ 00:02:32,560 ]God, we thank you for putting this on our hearts. We thank you for giving us the word. Words to say: We thank you for giving us the ability to do this show. We thank you for all who hear it, and we ask for your special blessing upon Pam, our guest tonight, and upon all who listen to this show. We pray that we change hearts and minds. If there’s someone out there that is considering an abortion, and they see the light and change their mind, we pray that they do. If there’s someone out there who’s suffering because they had an abortion, and they come to know there is forgiveness in the blood of your precious son, Jesus Christ, and all they have to do is ask. And God, we thank you. Amen.

[ 00:03:07,540 ]Amen. All right, Pam, thank you for joining us tonight. Pam is a graduate from Liberty University with a degree in psychology, and you’ve been working with women in crisis pregnancy, and you’ve been advocating for the sanctity of life and helping students make informed, value-based decisions about sex and their personal story. Of course, the big argument is: I don’t believe in abortion except in the case of rape or incest. And that’s some of the things that you address in your counseling with students. So, Pam, we want to thank you for joining us tonight. We appreciate it. Yeah, it’s so great to be with you. Thank you. Tell us about what you’re doing. Well, you know, I’ve been involved in life-affirming pregnancy. A center work forever, but the reason that most of us get involved is always personal, I believe.

[ 00:03:55,590 ]I think God calls us kind of based. It’s a redemption thing. And for my own story. Six years ago, a young 15-year-old girl became pregnant. She was in foster care at the time, imagine. And she chose to give me life. And give her child life. And that child was me. The reality is my biological father is a rapist. I don’t really know my ethnicity, but I believe that I am still a human being. And I still have value. And I don’t believe that my life is worth less than yours just because of the way I was conceived. And I certainly don’t believe that. I deserve the death penalty for the crime of my biological father. Now listen, I have listened to the rhetoric. My entire adult life.

[ 00:04:44,390 ]I’ve listened to people say, ‘Well, every child should be wanted and planned.’ And I’ve even heard this said in the church. Well, I wouldn’t have an abortion. Pam, that’s terrible. But if it were race… Mm-hmm. You’re a mistake, Pam. I don’t believe that. I believe that every child is wanted by someone, and I believe that God, in his mercy, had a plan for me. Now, my birth mother is my hero. Because she chose life for me. But the reality is, I mean, let’s get real here. I was conceived in 1965. And so in the state of Michigan, and in the state of Michigan in 1965, abortion was illegal. Even in the cases of rape. And I firmly believe that, if I had been conceived in 1975 instead of 1965, that I would have been killed by the state.

[ 00:05:40,670 ]The reality is, they would have run my 15-year-old birth mother, who’s in foster care, directly to the abortion clinic, do not pass go, do not collect $200. I would have never seen the light of day. Absolutely. But the truth is, That she did. She did. give me life and she gave me my family. I’m the oldest of eight children. Seven of us adopted. every color of the rainbow in my family. My parents had tried to conceive for years. And for whatever reason, I weren’t able to. And my parents adopted me. And three weeks later, they found out mom was pregnant. And then she had my brother. Oh, wow. And then never again, you know. So I teased my brother. He’s the bio one. People always ask me, which is the real one?

[ 00:06:27,690 ]He’s the bio child. But we’re close. And on his birthday one day, I sent him a birthday card. It said, ‘Dear brother, on your birthday, I just wanted to remind you, I was planned. You were an accident. We tease each other so much in my family.’ But you know what? My family, that godly family, godly mom and dad who raised me. To love Jesus. That was a gift. Again. From a 15-year-old girl experiencing a lot of trauma. And I think what we need to understand. Is that abortion in the case of rape? Killed an innocent child. Damages. The mother damages that poor young woman. And actually, you’ve only helped one person. Every single time, you help the rapist. Mm-hmm. The molester. The trafficker.

[ 00:07:23,080 ]That’s who you’re helping when you advocate for abortion in the cases of rape, incest, and certainly trafficking. Here’s what I think. Especially in Florida, and this is what is so difficult for me. The state of Florida, we call us pro-life. We say we’ve passed pro-life laws. The reality is this. We passed a heartbeat bill or a six-week ban, per se. We said you can’t kill unborn children until they’re or after they’re six weeks old. Right. Unless. They were conceived in rape, incest, or trafficking. Bruce and Vicky, I stood in the Senate when a Republican senator from the state of Florida introduced a trafficking exception to our heartbeat law. My jaw dropped. Basically, what we said in the state of Florida is that we’re for helping traffickers.

[ 00:08:24,680 ]We want traffickers to make sure that their product can remain on the street, and nobody wants to pay to have sex with a pregnant prostitute. So let’s just make sure we undo this little problem so we can keep making money. It is absolutely horrific. And I said this in 2023 when this law passed. It didn’t go into effect until May of 2024. But I said this. This is an unenforceable law. Our heartbeat law is unenforceable. Abortions will not. It will not, certainly they won’t be over. We’re going to have abortion in the state of Florida. in perpetuity until we provide equal protection and until we declare personhood, until we say that it is not acceptable to intentionally kill an unborn human person. Until we do that, we’re going to have abortion.

[ 00:09:22,160 ]Here’s the reality. They’re going to tell you that we’ve, oh, Pam, but there’s less abortions. In Florida. The reality is, there were close to 80,000 prior. We had 50,000 last year recorded. And that’s not even, it’s an incorrect number. Yes. And ACCA will not even tell us the gestational rate. Because here’s the situation. If a young girl walks into an abortion clinic and she’s… eight weeks, let’s say, or nine weeks. All she has to do, the abortionist can just say, ‘Was the sex consensual? No? Okay, sign this affidavit, put it in her chart, and the abortion continues. And here’s the other problem. We have unfettered abortion pills, chemical abortions flooding across our. Our state lines and our girls are accessing these without a doctor. Without ever having an ultrasound.

[ 00:10:19,230 ]It’s 10 times more dangerous than surgical abortion. And the reality is, if I today, and I have a pregnancy clinic that I founded up in Gainesville, right across from the swamp. We’re right on University Avenue. And this happened with one of our girls. Literally, if she’s too far along or she tries to go to the abortion clinic and they say, ‘Well, you’re nine weeks, you’re 10 weeks, you’re 12 weeks, whatever it is.’ We can’t do the abortion, but here’s the link where you can get it. She can get an abortion for between $5 and $20. She can get the abortion pills mailed to her. So the reality is in Florida, if I go to the abortion clinic for my abortion, it’s going to cost me between $400 and $600.

[ 00:11:01,500 ]Or I can order the pills mailed to my house for $5. You tell me what these girls are doing right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, those numbers are totally messed. Yeah, because you’ve got a lot of politicians. We even have some on the show saying the numbers are down. Abortions are down. We’re working. No. The number of clinics that do the surgical procedures are closing, and those numbers are down, but the pills are still being used, and so therefore there’s not an accurate record of how many children are being murdered. Now, because… No, correct. And then these young girls are sent back to their dorms or their bedrooms and their bathrooms to pass the child on the floor or in the shower or in the bathtub.

[ 00:11:48,210 ]And you don’t think that’s going to cause some trauma, you know? It is a massive amount of trauma. We cannot even tell you. They’re hemorrhaging. They’re bleeding out. They’re being told not, you know, not to tell the doctor in the ER what they took, what they did. They’re told to just do it alone. Don’t tell anyone. It is absolutely horrendous. We had a girl at the University of Florida. She showed up in my pregnancy center with her little tiny nine-week baby in a cup where she was absolutely destroyed. She told our nurses, ‘They told me it was just a clump of cells.’ I was in so much pain. She was in her dorm room. She’s bleeding out. She didn’t know what else to do.

[ 00:12:24,680 ]She went into the shower in order to, you know, bring some relief and, of course, without the bleeding. And she delivered her now-dead baby, who was too big to go down the shower drain. And so she had to reach down and pick that little baby up, and she saw his little feet and his little hands, and she said, ‘I could not bring myself to flush that baby down the toilet.’ Which is what they’re telling the girls to do, by the way. She said, ‘I couldn’t do it, and I didn’t know what else to do, so I brought this baby to you.’ This is unbelievable trauma. It is. Pam, we’ve got to take a break. We’ve got a hard break here. We’ll be right back.

[ 00:12:59,180 ]We’ve got Pam Stensel on, and it’s more Pro-Life Radio on the way. And we’re going to talk about the results of flushing that baby down the toilet. That’s next. AM 950 FM 94. 9 The Answer Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night. If you’re pro-life like this show and want to support, go online to GiveSendGo. com slash Orlando Pro-Life Radio. Take your check out to Mission Save America, Inc., and mail it to 13900 County Road 455, Unit 107-334, Claremont, Florida 34711. Pro-Life Radio is a non-profit entity and all donations are tax-deductible. Thank you. Thank you. Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicky Cherry. Across from me is my host, Kristen Bruce. Hey. And online, we have Pam Stenzel. Pam, that first segment was incredible. And I’m sure our listeners are just like, wow.

[ 00:14:06,230 ]You know, we’re talking about that trauma of these women. We’ve had a lady on the show, a nurse, actually, that had to stop nursing school because her mother, who also was a nurse, told her the same thing. That baby is nothing but a clump. And so, when she started nursing school and saw a jar with a baby at the same size, the same development of her baby that she aborted, she lost it. She couldn’t go back to stay in nursing school. She did eventually go back. But that was a traumatic for her. And she didn’t speak to her mother for quite a while. I mean, they mended that relationship, but it took quite a while. She’d been lied to by somebody she trusted. Yeah, and that’s what you were talking about, Pam, before the break.

[ 00:14:50,640 ]So Bruce led off with a thing about what is in the water. Well, these young ladies are passing their babies into toilets. In some cases, if the baby’s small enough, and some of them will just go ahead and flush it. Well, all of those hormones and those chemicals they’re giving these young ladies to induce the abortion. They don’t break down in water. And our sewage system is not designed to filter those things out and to treat that out and to get it out. Not in a human body. Yeah. So they don’t even know what the half-life of the stuff is once it’s in the aquifer. And so what’s happening is we talked at one point or another about on a previous show, we talked about how population is declining because not as many people are choosing life.

[ 00:15:39,700 ]Many people are having babies. There’s also another segment that we’re not talking about. There’s higher rates of sterility in men and women. Some of those rates of sterility are the result of abortions they’ve had. Maybe they’ve had too many and they’ve destroyed their ability to become pregnant. But in some cases also, the pills that the girls are taking to abort, those chemicals are getting into the water. Men are ingesting those chemicals in the drinking water. And they’re becoming infertile. And so it’s a vicious cycle. And so the ministry that I work for, the Liberty Council and New Revolution Printing, put out a book written by John Stemberger. That talks about abortion in our water. And it’s there because of the pills. It’s in our water.

[ 00:16:30,140 ]So these young ladies that are passing their babies into the sewer or being encouraged to flush the baby into the sewer and the afterbirth and things like that, they’re full of chemicals, and we’re drinking that. Yeah. And think about this, not to freak everyone out in Gainesville, but The reality, we can show you where the concentration of abortions are happening in our state. And they literally will follow the university system. So one of the… Highest abortion rates per capita per live birth in our state. Well, the first highway is Leon County, which is… is Tallahassee, basically Florida State. But number two is Alachua County, Gainesville. Gainesville, yeah. The reality is when you have a town that’s the size of Gainesville, which isn’t the size of Miami or where I live here in Tampa or Orlando, right?

[ 00:17:20,349 ]And you have… 60,000 college students plus in that small area. Guess what’s going into the… the water system. And it’s massive. And here’s the other thing I think people need to understand. We’ve had the abortion pill, chemical abortion for… for probably a little over a decade. But we had tremendous amounts of reds around that. What we mean by that, there were restrictions. Women couldn’t just get it off. You know, get it at Walgreens or whatever. They had to see a doctor. It had to be prescribed. She had to have an ultrasound. We had to determine that, first of all, that the fetus, the baby, was viable, which means there’s a heartbeat. There’s no reason to take horribly dangerous drugs that could not only kill the child but kill you.

[ 00:18:08,900 ]There’s no reason to do that if baby’s already dead. It’s unnecessary. So we need to know baby’s viable. We need to know baby was, and that’s in the uterus and not in the fallopian tube. That would be ectopic. And then we actually need to know gestational age. And let me tell you, having worked with women for so many years, and certainly when you work near a college or a university campus, you ask a 20-year-old when was the first day of her last period, because that’s one of the first ways we try to figure out gestational age. We ask her her LNP, and these girls are like… It was January. No, maybe it was, was it around Valentine’s? Maybe it was before. They have absolutely no idea.

[ 00:18:52,640 ]You cannot date a pregnancy by asking a woman what her LNP is. It’s not even possible. And so the reality is. She had to have that ultrasound. Well, here’s what happened. COVID happened. And I’m going to tell you, the abortion industry knew Dobbs was going down. They knew that. Roe v. Wade would be overturned, and they were preparing. So one of the first things the abortion industry did during COVID is they said, ‘Oh, these girls can’t have an in-person appointment. They can’t see a doctor and have an ultrasound before they take these dangerous drugs because it’s COVID.’ Oh my goodness, it’s COVID. And so they started what we saw across the country, drive-through abortions. Where these girls would do a telehealth appointment. They would drive up to the Planned Parenthood or the abortion clinic.

[ 00:19:43,880 ]The abortion worker would come out to her car in a hazmat suit. Hand her this pile of pills. And then she’d pay for them, and then she’d drive away and do the entire process by herself, never having an ultrasound, not knowing anything about her medical history, whether it’s going to be safe for her. Here’s the reality. These abortion drugs. One in ten women taking these abortion drugs end up in the ER for very severe complications. Hemorrhaging, sepsis, bleeding out, all of these things. And yet, all of a sudden, we are doing this without her ever seeing a doctor, ever having an ultrasound, not knowing how far along she is. And then, exactly like you said, flushing that baby down the toilet. And this is what’s happening. It’s hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds.

[ 00:20:35,560 ]Danco, the company that… makes and distributes these abortion pills. Widely all around the world, but here in the U. S. It is literally bragging about having supplied over one million women with abortion pills last year. They’re bragging about it and they’re taunting. Texas, they were taunting Texas’s attorney general, going ‘Come and get us.’ We don’t care that it you know because literally it’s illegal in Texas, it’s illegal in Florida. By statute, it’s illegal for them to send those through the mail. Has anyone been prosecuted? And by the way, Bruce and Vicky, Vicky, you need to understand this. We talk about abortion clinics shutting down in Florida. We have no idea how many are operating because ACA wouldn’t give us the list at the end of 2020.

[ 00:21:24,820 ]But the reality is what we’ve been able to see is only three clinics have shut down in the entire state of Florida since May of 2024. Only three. And the reality is they just moved. Most of them were just small Planned Parenthood who moved their operations to a bigger place. Mmm. The reality is I was at an abortion clinic this morning. I was out at Bread and Roses in Clearwater, Florida this morning. And they’re doing hundreds of abortions there every week. Let’s back up. They’re called Bread and Roses? Yeah. Bread and Roses Abortion Clinic. Isn’t that just awful? There’s also a Bread and Roses Abortion Clinic in Gainesville. operating in full, going on every day. You know, they try so hard to sanitize what they do, what they are. Yeah.

[ 00:22:22,210 ]You know, terminate the pregnancy, remove the fetus. I don’t understand the bread and roses. Bread and roses. It sounds more like a ministry than it does an abortion or an abortuary. That’s what it is. Here’s a little history. Back in the 60s, I think it was, it may have been before that. It was a feminist. It was an ultra-feminist rallying point. Bread is sustenance. And roses is supposed to be… Uh… Love and I want to say fertility. And so they literally said, ‘We want sustenance and we want to have an exciting and happy life.’ And so the abortion clinic takes those two things on and says, ‘We’re going to kill babies so that you can have sustenance and have a happy life.’ I mean, it’s the antithesis.

[ 00:23:12,330 ]It’s just absolutely horrendous. Which is the exact opposite. Every woman I know that has shared with us that they’ve had an abortion. had an absolutely miserable life until they either found Jesus. Or they’re still miserable to this day. We’ve had several on this show that talk about the trauma they’ve gone through. And it might have been 20, 30 years ago that they had the abortion. Yeah, imagine. And you know what? Those women, a lot of the women in those days, the 80s, right up until probably mid-2000s, most all of them had surgical abortions. Now, it doesn’t change the trauma. It changes nothing. They paid someone, and the doctor actually did the abortion. But think about it. Now, the vast majority of women… They’re the abortionists. They’re their own abortionists.

[ 00:24:00,210 ]And so it’s… Not only are they actively performing the abortion, but they’re seeing their baby. End. It is, the trauma is. is ridiculous. And, you know, that’s why, you know, we, we, we, we want women to get help. We want women to find freedom and, and have healing and, and experience what Christ can do in their lives, but we don’t want them to wait 20 years. You don’t want them to say, ‘Well, 20 years ago.’ No, because the damage that goes on in their soul and the damage that goes on for them as they become wives and mothers of other children, it is. Horribly painful if they don’t get healing and they don’t experience the love of Christ and the healing of Christ.

[ 00:24:46,110 ]And so one of our big jobs, even in our pregnancy centers, is we don’t want you to suffer for 20 years and then admit what you’ve done. But the hard thing is when they did it in secret, when there was so much shame around it, when they told no one. It becomes very difficult for those women to come forward and admit what’s gone on. Hmm. Pam, we have to take a break right now, and we will be right back. We have Pam Stensel on with us from her home in… Powerful. Yes, very powerful. From her home in… Tampa, and we’ll be right back with more Pro-Life Radio, and also details coming up on the Life Banquet of Central Florida that’s from Pro-Life Action Ministries. We’ll tell you about that coming up. A bit. We hope you’ll attend that. It’s going to be a great time. More Pro-Life Radio on the way, streaming on TheAnswerOrlando. com and coming to you on AM 950, FM 94. If you’re pro-life, like this show, and want to support this mission, please help with your donation today. Go online to give, send, and donate. Go. com slash Orlando Pro-Life Radio. Or make your check out to Mission Save America, Inc. And mail it to 1396.

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[ 00:26:17,370 ]And we’re back with Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday night with Pam Stensel, who is a pro-life activist and has a pro-life clinic in Gainesville. Pregnancy clinic. And she just spent yesterday and this morning? No, last week. Anyway, she spent some time with Seth Gruber. Turning Point USA Faith event. Tell us about that. Yeah, it was an amazing night. Seth Gruber came to town, and we had an event. We invited, obviously, pastors, but people of faith all across Pinellas County, and they let me come in, even though I’m in Hillsborough County, so that was nice of them. But, uh… We had a great group at Abundant Life Ministries. And Seth brought it. My goodness, Seth has the ability to kind of wake up the church and say, ‘Hey, church, what are we doing?

[ 00:27:11,150 ]He does. Are we not doing what God’s called us to do? He doesn’t much, I don’t have accessibility, but I just, it’s just so encouraging, I think, even though we talked about it, so when you have prophet gifts, and I’m a little bit that way, and have been that way, especially with teenagers, because I’ve spent a lot of years running around the world talking to kids about sex. And I’m usually the prophet that has to come in and slap some people upside the head. And then we hope that we don’t get stoned on our way out. I said to Seth after the event, ‘I said, Seth, do you feel like you’ve got to avoid stoning?’ The reality is the church wants to be comfortable. The church wants to sit and be comfortable.

[ 00:27:54,150 ]I literally, honestly, to my frustration, sat at an event in Florida, and I won’t even tell you where because… I don’t want to get anybody in trouble. But they sat there talking about how wonderful it was that we defeated Amendment 4 and that our pro-life heartbeat law is so amazing because it has exceptions. Make sure you tell your neighbors, you know, we’re going to allow for some abortions. We’re not crazy radicals that don’t want any abortion. And so this is a great law. And we defeated Amendment 4. And then they literally put a PowerPoint on the screen that said this. We’ve won the war. Now we have to win the peace. I’m like, what? And here’s the thing.

[ 00:28:40,520 ]If this is what’s being said to the average person sitting in the pews, if the average people sitting in our church believe that in Florida we’ve won the war for life and they don’t need to do anything? Like, oh, you know, Pam, why are you so worried about it? We don’t need your pregnancy center. Abortion is not legal in Florida. What kind of? No, that is absolutely not the case. And you know what I think, Ruth and Vicky? Vicky, I think. That the pro-life establishment… But… Our own pro-life people want to be able to tell people that they’re winning. They want a feel-good winning. And the thing is, they’re not. And for any of us who are actually working on the ground, working with women. Women every day, seeing what’s going on.

[ 00:29:29,980 ]We are not winning. And I don’t, you know, does it make you feel better to tell people, hey, look, we won. We defeated Amendment 4. The war is over. No. No, no, no. No, no, no. We want to battle. We want to battle. The war rages on until not one child is killed in the womb or in places like California, New York. Michigan, Massachusetts, out of the womb— because so many of those places are now saying abortion can take place up to 20 days after birth and that sort of thing, until children are safe. From abortion, we have not won the war. No, not at all. Until we value every single life. Yes. And we need to stop thinking, you know, well, we have to do it this way.

[ 00:30:21,400 ]We have to do it a little bit at a time because that’s what matters. Yeah, but how many babies are dying a little bit at a time? How long are we going to do it a little bit at a time? Vicky, I’ve been told for 40 years, Pam. We’re sorry. We have to put this rape exception in there. We have to throw you under the bus because it’s the only way we can get anything passed. So isn’t it better that we stay? Most of them even would throw out rape. It’s a small percentage, so Pam, we’ll be saving all these babies if we throw you under the bus and then we’ll come back for you later. Here’s what the truth is. They’ve never come back for me later.

[ 00:31:01,210 ]And all of the laws that they passed claiming that they were saving many babies and only letting some fall beneath the cracks was a lie. Post Dobbs, we are killing more babies in this country than we were before it. Thank you. Yep. Because they’re hiding it now with the abortion pill. And they’ve given the impression that, oh, no, we’ve closed down these clinics. Now, They might have shut the doors on those clinics, but like you said earlier, they’ve just moved the operation to bigger locations, and it’s now drive-thru. It’s like, come in, get a pill, go home. Happily whatever you’re after. Yeah. And listen, Bruce and Vicky, your listeners, you need to hear this. There is a program called the Ryan Residency. It’s what’s training abortion doctors across our country.

[ 00:31:54,440 ]And two of the biggest Ryan Residency programs are at UCF and at USF in Tampa. These two universities are training the future abortionists. And nobody’s talking about it. It is absolutely, you’re sitting here with people. Why is that under your, not in your radar? Why is it? UCF and USF training all these future abortionists under the Ryan Residency program, paid for not only by Florida, our tax dollars, but also by the likes of Warren Buffett and some of these other big donors that flood money into the system to train abortion. How was that spelled, Pam? Ryan, just like the name, R-Y-A-N, Ryan Residency. So Google that. Live Action has put some things out about Ryan Residency. And I have a Substack. I don’t know if your listeners are used to looking at Substacks, but it’s just Pam Stenzel at Substacks.

[ 00:32:58,880 ]I did an entire piece on the Ryan residency in Florida at USF and UCF just recently. And tell the people how to get a hold of you and to see that Substack. Sure. Well, if you just Google, if you go to Substack and just put my name in, Pam Stenzel, S-T-E-N-Z-E-L, or if you go to pamstenzel . net. You’ll see information about my ministry and what I do. And you can also email me there. And you can find me on Facebook and LinkedIn, usually with my name. So Stenzel, just like it sounds, S-T-E-N-Z-E-L. Z-E-L, yeah. My husband always said, if we pronounced it Stenzel like Denzel, people would spell it properly. Okay, now I just tried going to the Ryan Residency website and…

[ 00:33:56,349 ]You have to hunt around a little bit for it, but if you want to get any details on it, you have to be a member and log in to get any kind of details. Otherwise, it’s kind of the benefits of it to increase your clinical skills and locations across the United States, 38%. They’re going by the guise of furthering OBGYN training. Mm-hmm. Sure, sure. But they’re trading abortion. And if you look at USF, you should be able to just put… because I live in Tampa, so that mattered to me about USF, is I was able to find it pretty easily. So. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. But but you’re right. The abortion is going underground. They want to get away from the clinic model because they don’t want us outside their clinics.

[ 00:34:48,860 ]They don’t. I mean, it’s too easy to target. Right. And so they want to go into our into hospitals, into private doctor’s offices. And then, obviously, eventually, as they’re doing in California, is to go right to the Walgreens and the CVSs. So it becomes much more difficult for us to reach women that way. It never ceases to amaze me how evil just works and works and works to skirt the law and skirt decency. Well, and put some transparency out there. You know, instead of being so undercover, let’s talk about what happens in these pills. Abortions, all of it. There are risks and they go about like there is not— like you can get this done, you can be back out on the road having fun doing whatever you want.

[ 00:35:43,220 ]I always drive down the I-4 and I see this, happily, whatever you’re after. And I hate that sign. I hate it with a passion. Because if we’re truly living godly lives, it’s not happily, whatever you’re after. It’s not all about you. You know, there’s something else also. We’ve had two people. We have a Bible study and just blessed with a great group of people. And we’ve had two people in that Bible study that have undergone knee replacement surgery in the last couple of months. Before you have knee replacement surgery, the doctor gives you, here’s a link for a video. Watch it so you know what you’re in for and what you know what the procedure looks like and everything. Do they do that for anyone they’re going to do an abortion for?

[ 00:36:27,960 ]No. Do they do a video? Do they give you a video link to look at for anybody who’s going to take the abortion pill? No. Why? Because they don’t want you to know what you’re in for. They don’t want you to know what to expect beyond what they tell you. And what they tell you is never what it actually is. You’ll have some light cramping, maybe some spotting. You should be able to go back to work or school within a day. And in reality, they wind up sometimes in the emergency room. Yep. Yep. And they’ve been told not to tell— not to tell the emergency room doctors. But listen, I’m good friends with Dr. Brent Bull. He is the medical director. Director for Heartbeat and for APR, Abortion Pill Reversal, in the nation.

[ 00:37:10,370 ]But he actually lives here in Tampa. He’s an OBGYN hospitalist, which means he works in the ER at St. Joseph’s Women’s Hospital. So he sees all the women coming into the ER with complications. problems with pregnancy or gynecological problems. That don’t have an OBGYN. So the reality is he’s seeing these women. And he told me, he said, ‘Pam, we’re seeing probably three to four women a week coming in, hemorrhaging, bleeding out. Because of these abortion pills, it’s devastating. And then we don’t want to talk about this either. But I think our listeners need to hear this. These women who are getting these pills online and some of it. The horrible… uh… Abortion pill mills are not only not telling our girls anything, but they’re not telling them what gestation age they can or shouldn’t be taking these pills.

[ 00:38:06,090 ]And they’re sending them the second drug. Abortion pills are given in two drugs. Mifepressix, which blocks the progesterone, is first. Starves the baby. It starves the baby. Then, 48 hours later, they’re given mesoprostol, which causes them to go into labor, and they deliver their supposedly now dead child. The problem is… Many of them are doing misoprostol only. They’re not doing the misopressics first. And they’re mailing this misoprostol in huge numbers. In fact, we had a 16-year-old girl, a mother found in her bedroom in Sarasota. This 16-year-old girl was found 48 misoprostol pills in packs of four. Oh, my goodness. We’re like, what in the world is she dealing with? How did this 16-year-old in Sarasota get home? Hold on— 48 meets the pro stop. Oh, wow. But here’s what’s happening. Pam, I need you to hold that thought. We’ve got a break. We’ve got to jump into. We’ll be right back. We’re with Pam Stencil, Pro-Life Radio, Sunday night, AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer. If you’re pro-life, like this show, and want to support this mission, please help with your donation today. Go online to givesendgo. com. or make your checkout to Mission Save America, Inc. and mail it to 13900.

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[ 00:39:42,540 ]Welcome back to Pro-Life Radio on a Sunday evening. I’m Vicky Cherry. Across from me is my handsome husband, Bruce. We have Pam Stensel on, and she was at the very… She was rocking. She was rocking, so we’re going to let her get back. On that rock. So the young lady with the 48 abortion pills? 16-year-old, 48 misoprostol. Dangerous, dangerous drugs. In her possession. But here’s what’s happening. In Flagler County, we just had a woman, a young woman, literally deliver her baby in the toilet. Toilet, watched it with her own eyes, breathe gas for life, and it died, drowned in her toilet. And then she put it in a duffel bag and buried it in her backyard. And here’s what I’m going to promise you. This girl took misoprostol.

[ 00:40:34,150 ]I’m going to almost promise you, she was intending for that child to die. We just had it happen in Georgia, and you can look it up. She literally told the ER doctors that she took misoprostol at approximately 25 weeks. And she took oxycodone. They tried desperately in the ER to save that baby, and baby died about an hour later. We had a baby full-term, wash-up, placenta still attached on the beaches of Fort Lauderdale. And who’s going to say that mom didn’t take me to the pro-stall in so much pain, go out into the water and then deliver that baby and walk away. And so this is when you allow these dangerous drugs to be just shipped. And who’s to say traffickers are getting their hands on these dangerous drugs?

[ 00:41:25,210 ]Boyfriends who want that baby dead are forcing women. This is the most dangerous thing ever. And we’re doing nothing about it. You know, people have called abortion legalized murder for years, but when you have women watching their child… Being born in a toilet and it gasping and drowning in front of them, that’s not an abortion. That is murder. And what would the difference be between that and me watching a child drown in a bathtub? None. There’s no difference. That’s just murder. It’s unbelievable. And this is where all of that stages comes in. You know, I think we are people of faith for the most part, and we need to put our trust in God, not in ourselves, not in other people. People let’s back up because you said, for the most part, are you talking about us?

[ 00:42:13,340 ]Are you talking about people in general? I’m talking about most conservatives that are going to be listening, you know, and that are in our realm of faith. Not for the most part. I meant no— that’s not how I meant it. But what I’m saying is: We can’t just… Figure that. Hey, we’ll work it out in 20 years from now. How many babies got to die before we say, ‘No, stop?’ It needs to end, and it needs to end right now, as soon as possible. And what is the number one thing that you all think? Would end abortion right now. Making it illegal. Right? 100%. Yep. Criminalized abortion. But we can’t because what? No. These people are, they’re just trying to help themselves. They’re trying to have a better life.

[ 00:42:58,540 ]They’re trying to, whatever the excuse, I get it. But they are humans. They are needing our protection. And we need to do something about it, not just say, ‘Oh, in 10 years.’ 20 years. Vicky, if we’re people of faith, you said we are, I am, I believe it, how in the world do we expect women who’ve murdered their own child, whether chemical or surgical, to ever receive forgiveness, repentance, and healing if they won’t admit what they did? If women are perpetual victims, if she couldn’t help it, if, oh, Pam, you don’t understand, these women, they’re pressured, they’re coerced, we can’t make it illegal because then, you know, we… No, we can make it illegal, and she should be responsible for what she chose to do, because the only way we’re going to get responsibility, the only way we’re going to get repentance, and forgiveness is when we own what we did.

[ 00:43:53,450 ]I feel like we’re in the Garden of Eden with everybody going, well, the serpent deceived me, and the woman gave it to me, God. We’re making excuses. Excuses for sin. And how do we expect grace to come down and fall if we will make excuses for our own sin? We have to call sin, sin. Yeah. And the thing of it is, is so many of the people, Bruce included, had it been illegal, they wouldn’t have done it. Yeah. 100%. 100%. Went to the adoption issue support or something, but they wouldn’t have. I’ve done it. It’s just like if there’s no speed limit, which there wasn’t one in Montana where I’m from for a long time. And, you know, Montana did OK with it. But people come in and go crazy speeds.

[ 00:44:36,760 ]That wasn’t the point. Of course. They had to do away with that because people couldn’t control themselves. But that’s the point. Let’s do something about it. Let’s save the babies. Let’s worry. Yes, we love the mothers. I am one. I love these mothers. But we also have to love the babies more. And we need to know that we are called to save them, to protect them. That’s our job. Right. Them before us. And you know what? Loving that mother is not just allowing her to damage herself and her soul by committing abortion. That’s not loving her. Loving her is telling her the truth. Loving her is calling her to repentance. Loving her is saying, ‘You know what?’ I want women to have every choice available to them.

[ 00:45:20,180 ]That does not involve the death of their child. And they have that. They can deliver. They can parent. They can place for adoption or they can legally and anonymously walk into any fire station or hospital and hand that unharmed infant over to first responders. No questions asked. Right. So there is zero excuse, zero excuse. For them to kill, intentionally kill their child. And, you know, loving mothers goes even further. If you’re going to encourage a woman to have that baby, and either keep the baby or put it up for adoption, then she needs support. And maybe the mother and the father need support to see that through. Parenting classes. Support with products. We’ve donated before to a couple of pregnancy centers here, child safety seats for them to take the child home from the hospital.

[ 00:46:11,800 ]There are various organizations that need donations of food, clothing, things like that. Everything that a mother would need to bring her baby home from the hospital and to care for that child afterwards. And let’s not just feed them a fish today. Let’s teach them to fish and feed them for life. Let’s show them how to get a job, how to balance work, life, and a child and a job, and to be able to provide for them. Let’s counsel them. Let’s counsel the dads on how to be good dads and good husbands and how to give honor and glory to their wives and their children and home and God. And those are the things we have to do. And the church has let us down. Well, because the church is all part of it.

[ 00:46:56,190 ]We need to listen to God. And that’s what we need to do. And God says, this is wrong. Mm-hmm. And so that’s what we need to listen to. And we need to model our laws to listen to him in every part of our lives. And if we are doing that, it works out. Yeah, it works out and God will bless us as a people. Wow. You know, there are 2,800 pregnancy centers across this country. There’s over 175 here in Florida. That are doing what you just described every single day. We’re walking alongside moms, babies, dads, calling our dads back to their children. Emphasizing fatherhood. I can’t tell you how important this is. If men would just, women say 95% would not choose abortion.

[ 00:47:41,710 ]If the man in the situation would just walk up to her and say, ‘I will not abandon you. I will be here. This is our child. And I’m going to make sure that you have what you need.’ If he would say that, not— oh, I’ll just support you, whatever you decide, which is not support at all. It’s throwing everything on her. So if we call young men, call these young men, speak out, this is your child, and then call them to be the dads they need to be, then we’re… you know, we’re wrapping around these families. And our pregnancy centers are doing it, but listen to what I told our pregnancy centers across the country this last year. Because I work for Bright Course, and we provide the education for these lessons and for the parents.

[ 00:48:20,320 ]We did a whole emphasis with pregnancy centers last year at Bright Course. Thanks. Strong Center Support Churches. The church is preeminent. Jesus Christ established a church. He did not establish a pregnancy center. So the reality is, as pregnancy centers, we need to partner with our local churches. Because you know what? I want to hand this little new family that’s struggling and that needs discipleship, I want to hand them to you. The church to be able to walk alongside this family long-term. Amen. Amen. Amen. Hey, we are down to our last, right about, yeah, almost three minutes. Is there anything, Pam, that you want to share, something we didn’t cover that you want to share, and then we want to know how to get in touch with you.

[ 00:49:06,240 ]Yeah, you know, here again, I just really challenge everyone to find out where your life-affirming pregnancy centers are in your own community. Connect yourself with them. Other ministries like Pro-Life Action Ministries, Sidewalk Ministries, the people that are on the ground every day in Florida, make sure you’ve connected with them. And then, and, and, you know, Do something. You know, at the end of the day, I’m going to have to stand before God and answer for what I did. And not for what everyone else did, but for what I did. And you know what? Mother Teresa said this. God didn’t call us to be successful. He called us to be faithful. And, you know, what I want, nothing more than to someday run into the arms of Jesus and hear these words, ‘Well done, thou good and faithful servant.’ Has a job to do.

[ 00:49:56,400 ]Every one of us in the body of Christ needs to do something. And so just ask God, God, what can I do? Who can I reach? What can I do today to make sure that I’m sharing the gospel, I’m sharing my faith? And I’m upholding life and, you know, the blessing of life in my own community. So if we all do that, it would be absolutely amazing. You can reach out to me at Pam Stenzel, S-T-E-N-Z-E-L, pamstenzel . net. You can reach me there at any point, and you can find me on social media as well. And I spend a lot of years talking to kids about sex because this is the deal. If we would make better decisions on the front end of these choices.

[ 00:50:37,380 ]If we would honor God with our choices about sex, we would not be in the situation we’re in today. And so we need to continually call a new generation to honor God with their bodies, and that means to save all sex for marriage. Absolutely. Hey, before we run, I do have to give props. Now, you did mention Pro-Life Action Ministries. They have their Life Banquet coming up on May 12th at 6 p. m. And it’s going to be— the guest speaker is going to be… Troy Newman, he’s the president of Operation Rescue. Looking forward to meeting Troy. I’ve never met him. Great guy is what I understand, and strong, strong warrior for protecting the… Unborn. And Troy’s the keynote speaker that night. Get your tickets. It is Pro-Life Action Ministries.

[ 00:51:21,450 ]You can call Michelle at 407-230-Get those tickets. It’s going to be at Calvary Orlando Church on Clay Street in Winter Park. And we look forward to seeing you there. We’re going to be there. Yes, we are. Pro-life action ministries, May 12th, their life banquet. Pam, thank you so much for being here with us. It’s pro-life radio. And if you like this show and you believe in this ministry, we. Ask for your help, and the details are coming up on how you can help keep it on the air. We’re on AM 950, FM 94. 9, The Answer, and we will see you again next week. Pro-Life Radio. Good night. I don’t know. If you’re pro-life, like this show, and want to support this mission, please help with your donation today. Go online to givesendgo.com. or make your checkout to Mission Save America, Inc. and mail it to 13900. Road 455, Unit 107-334, Claremont, Florida, 34711. Pro-Life Radio is a nonprofit entity and all donations are tax-deductible. Thank you. You’ve been listening to Pro-Life Radio, a strong voice for the unborn in Florida with Vicky and Bruce Cherry. Connect with Vicky and Bruce online at ProLifeRadio.com.